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is 30bb/100 winrate at 4nl sustainable?

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01-06-2014 , 10:10 PM

iluvbubes

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currently playing at a fishy site and on every table theres like at least one or two 50/40 or 50/10 type. i played about 24k hands and currently running 30bb/100, just wondering if im just running good or could i sustain this over a million hands. my ev is about 21bb/100

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01-06-2014 , 10:14 PM

Brokenstars

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anything is possible... but the short answer is no

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01-07-2014 , 02:23 AM

Barfunkel

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Heater in this topic imo.

I just started online poker after a year's break last month. First month I was up about 150 buy ins (50/50 NL4 and NL10) after 20-25k hands (trackers don't work in the Finnish national site, so that's just an estimate). I know I beat the games, but such a winrate is very likely not sustainable, no matter the amount of fishes.

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01-07-2014 , 03:56 AM

TWhelan

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No.

Plus if you are really that good you won't play a million hands at 4nl. Your winrate will go down when you move up unfortunately

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01-07-2014 , 09:22 AM

Stockpokeradvice

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If you're playing 50vpip players who are generally passive and weak players for 100bb+. Then a winrate of 25-40bb per 100 is probably sustainable, but might not be worth sustaining if you get my drift?

Not much of a brag but I'm currently beating NL5 on stars for 13.5bb per 100 (albeit over 11.5k hands) and I would say about 70% of the players there play a TAG/LAG game and 30% play another style. I still reckon you could beat that game for 25bb/100 though, just got to be really good.

Edit: Congrats on your win btw

Last edited by Stockpokeradvice; 01-07-2014 at 09:29 AM.

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01-07-2014 , 09:33 AM

Deeepz

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yes no

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01-07-2014 , 09:45 AM

Barfunkel

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Originally Posted by Stockpokeradvice

Probably not sustainable. Even when you play perfectly, you simply don't get strong hands that often, your strong hands get suckouts and so on. For 10k hands, 20k yes, but very likely not for 100k hands (which is about the smallest amount that gives you reliable winrate results)

Also, what site, even NL5, has literally only VPIP 50+ players? I play at the Finnish national site, which is very loose and even there you often have 1-3 nits on every table.

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01-07-2014 , 10:18 AM

Stockpokeradvice

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I haven't played at many sites so I don't know of any sites where there are almost exclusively vpip 50 players at nl5. But I still disagree that 25bb/100 isn't sustainable for anybody given those conditions. I could easily see strong MSNL and HSNL pros being able to beat the weakest opponents for that amount over 1 million hands. It's just that beating them for that clip would not be worth it.

FWIW I can easily see OP running good and not being able to sustain that winrate. I just disagree that its not possible to beat them at that rate. A really obvious way of explaining this is the superuser example.

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01-07-2014 , 01:51 PM

Gabethebabe

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30bb/100 is not sustainable, because you need to move up ASAP when your BR allows it

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