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20nl, QQ, 3bet pot, A on the turn 20nl, QQ, 3bet pot, A on the turn

10-25-2014 , 06:31 PM
BTN is playing 38/32 Agg freq: 38
fold to 3bet 50%
52 hands
I was already involved with SB in several 3bet pots and BTN was also involved with SB in some 3bet pots, so there is an aggressive dynamic going on, however this is my first 3bet pot with the BTN

[converted_hand][hand_history]
SB: $21.79 (109 bb)
Hero (BB): $28.57 (142.9 bb)
CO: $22.36 (111.8 bb)
BTN: $20.30 (101.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q Q
CO folds, BTN raises to $0.60, SB folds, Hero raises to $2, BTN calls $1.40

Flop: ($4.10) 2 T T (2 players)
Hero bets $2.60, BTN calls $2.60

Turn: ($9.30) A (2 players)
Hero?
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10-25-2014 , 06:40 PM
Probably x/f against most esp with Qd unless he stabs TON (bluffs w SD value etc).
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10-26-2014 , 12:20 AM
x/f is fine
I like x/c otf vs. this guy so far
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10-26-2014 , 02:20 AM
Well since I found this thread I would like to ask you guys how would you play this hand against unknown player (playing zoom).

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32075712

    BTN: $17.68 (176.8 bb)
    SB: $16.90 (169 bb)
    BB: $15.42 (154.2 bb)
    UTG: $14.89 (148.9 bb)
    MP: $31.07 (310.7 bb)
    Hero (CO): $10.88 (108.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q Q
    2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN raises to $0.90, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.10, BTN raises to $5.05, Hero calls $2.95

    Flop: ($10.25) 4 5 K (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $7.34, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $10.25 pot ($0.46 rake)
    Final Board: 4 5 K
    BTN mucked and won $9.79 ($4.74 net)
    Hero mucked Q Q and lost (-$5.05 net)



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    20nl, QQ, 3bet pot, A on the turn Quote
    10-26-2014 , 02:31 AM
    jam pre ^. calling the 5b OOP with an SPR of .5 is...not really an option

    @ OP, can def x/c flop as has been suggested. ap x/f seems best.
    20nl, QQ, 3bet pot, A on the turn Quote
    10-26-2014 , 05:38 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by FuzzingIrish
    Well since I found this thread I would like to ask you guys how would you play this hand against unknown player (playing zoom).

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32075712

      BTN: $17.68 (176.8 bb)
      SB: $16.90 (169 bb)
      BB: $15.42 (154.2 bb)
      UTG: $14.89 (148.9 bb)
      MP: $31.07 (310.7 bb)
      Hero (CO): $10.88 (108.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with Q Q
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN raises to $0.90, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.10, BTN raises to $5.05, Hero calls $2.95

      Flop: ($10.25) 4 5 K (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $7.34, Hero folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: $10.25 pot ($0.46 rake)
      Final Board: 4 5 K
      BTN mucked and won $9.79 ($4.74 net)
      Hero mucked Q Q and lost (-$5.05 net)



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      Call the PF raise. if you 4bet him and he raises you, rest assured that if he isn't a major fish he is on a monster. You would be best getting it in PF there if you think you can beat villains range, otherwise call the PF bet and decide OTF.

      As played, flop is a fold imo. Even though you're getting decent odds, I don't think you can beat villains range.
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      10-26-2014 , 12:30 PM
      Hello Mooncow

      I like the play PF and flop cbet.

      I think x/f turn. Based on his flp call, I'd say we are don't have much more than 50% equity against his range. When we are ahead, I think Villain usually has a lower PP and If he has a worse PP he is going to be in c/f mode once the Ace hits. I can't think of too many hands worse than ours he is calling the flop with and turning into a bluff when we chk turn. By us betting it feels like we are either bluffing w/ the best hand or giving him extra value when he has an Ace, trip tens, etc.

      If he has a diamond draw ideally we would want to charge him, but with a suited Ace he has us beat, and we have the Qd, so I can't think of too many other dd combos he has in his range.

      Also, even if we bet turn, we then HAVE to c/f river if we get called and don't hit a 2 outer.
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      10-26-2014 , 02:47 PM
      just gii pre vs unknown w/ the 4bet/call hand
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      10-26-2014 , 06:06 PM
      If checked back to OTT bet riv?
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      10-26-2014 , 06:10 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Nirwanda
      Probably x/f against most esp with Qd unless he stabs TON (bluffs w SD value etc).
      But we have the nut blocker
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      10-26-2014 , 06:20 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Money$Team
      Hello Mooncow

      I like the play PF and flop cbet.

      I think x/f turn. Based on his flp call, I'd say we are don't have much more than 50% equity against his range. When we are ahead, I think Villain usually has a lower PP and If he has a worse PP he is going to be in c/f mode once the Ace hits. I can't think of too many hands worse than ours he is calling the flop with and turning into a bluff when we chk turn. By us betting it feels like we are either bluffing w/ the best hand or giving him extra value when he has an Ace, trip tens, etc.

      If he has a diamond draw ideally we would want to charge him, but with a suited Ace he has us beat, and we have the Qd, so I can't think of too many other dd combos he has in his range.

      Also, even if we bet turn, we then HAVE to c/f river if we get called and don't hit a 2 outer.
      Nice post. I like flop lead and turn bet also for the sake of innitiation and aggression. With that AFq we're not getting bluffed off our hand ott or riv right? OP What other reasons could he have a bluff here other than his fv3b. Im all for x/f turn I guess let him have it he's been disciplined enough to earn his percieved range in this hand.
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      10-26-2014 , 06:50 PM
      Over 52 hands though. Anyone can have a fv3b of 50 in a non passive game over this sample imo
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      10-26-2014 , 07:48 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by ambientsilence
      But we have the nut blocker
      What?
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      10-26-2014 , 07:57 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Nirwanda
      What?
      I mean we're blocking AQ, which is a big part of villain's value range. I'd much rather have QQ or even JJ in this spot than KK, because AK is so much more likely to 4bet preflop. Not sure it's reason enough to call down, just pointing it out.
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