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09-10-2018 , 12:22 AM

DooDooPoker

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Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
HJ ($21.51) [VPIP: 22.7% | PFR: 16.9% | AGG: 36.4% | 3-Bet: 8.5% | Hands: 160]
CO ($10.33) [VPIP: 23.1% | PFR: 15.4% | AGG: 23.7% | 3-Bet: 7.5% | Hands: 119]
HERO ($14.90) [VPIP: 28.6% | PFR: 22.7% | AGG: 31% | 3-Bet: 10.2% | Hands: 37362]
SB ($12.06) [VPIP: 25.9% | PFR: 20.2% | AGG: 43.3% | 3-Bet: 8% | Hands: 3468]
BB ($13.08) [VPIP: 24.6% | PFR: 23% | AGG: 35.7% | 3-Bet: 18.2% | Hands: 64]

Dealt to Hero: A

HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.35, SB Calls $0.30, BB Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [14.64 effective]
Flop ($0.80): 6

SB Checks, HERO Checks

Turn ($0.80): 6

SB Bets $0.76 (Rem. Stack: 10.95), HERO Calls $0.76 (Rem. Stack: 13.79)

River ($2.32): 6

SB Bets $2.21 (Rem. Stack: 8.74), HERO ?

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09-10-2018 , 12:30 AM

VALIS

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Seems like a very clear call

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09-10-2018 , 12:57 AM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by VALIS

Seems like a very clear call

Maybe I am being too nitty but SB's calling range is pretty strong no?

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09-10-2018 , 03:22 AM

Poker_Player

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Without reads folding this hand on river because massive bets and not sure if villain does this w/ like AT or 76/87.

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09-10-2018 , 04:40 AM

weirdmonkey

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I'd expect his range on the river to be something like AJo-ATo, ATs, 55, 66, 88, 97s, A5, A6, and A8. If my math is right (17/49), you should have 34.6% equity against his range -- so you're pretty much getting the odds to call. Add some more Aces and semi-bluffs in there and it's an easy choice.

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09-10-2018 , 04:54 AM

VALIS

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This hand is way too high up in your range to consider folding to two pot sized bets, you're going to be way overfolding otherwise.
The fact that you can very conceivably beat some of his value makes this a mandatory call, and you don't block any of his missed draws either.

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09-10-2018 , 05:16 AM

Poker_Player

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We're never beating any of villain's value range here.

We basically have a bluff catcher. Not worried about balncing because 10nl so a fold is fine here when villain is super strong.

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09-10-2018 , 06:33 AM

Comedian

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You don't raise turn to keep his bluffs in I pressume and think you are good. At least that is what I think.
The river is a tough spot because what can he put you on when you call the turn.

I mostly (when have stats) look at his W$SD. If that is 50 or below I call. Else I fold and move on.

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09-10-2018 , 08:32 AM

ArtyMcFly

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AK is a clear call (along with AQ that made 2pr). AJ seems fairly close. I would call, but I'm a station that tends to call with all the breakeven stuff like this.

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09-10-2018 , 08:38 AM

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sinnaJ

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I think its fine to exploit fold here vs a reg as he is probably not expecting to get Ax to fold which is a major part of your range

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09-10-2018 , 08:50 AM

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VALIS

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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly

AK is a clear call (along with AQ that made 2pr). AJ seems fairly close. I would call, but I'm a station that tends to call with all the breakeven stuff like this.

If AJ is close, what about every other worse ace hero could have on the river?
Are all of those hands folds, plus all missed draws and worse pairs?
This is why I don't think it's close

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09-10-2018 , 09:00 AM

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ArtyMcFly

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Originally Posted by VALIS

If AJ is close, what about every other worse ace hero could have on the river?
Are all of those hands folds, plus all missed draws and worse pairs?
This is why I don't think it's close

It's possible villain bet ATs for thin value, so we can't call with A9.

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09-10-2018 , 09:57 AM

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I agree AK/AQ are calls but the pot sized turn and river bets are usually indicative of value hands.

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09-10-2018 , 10:21 AM

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VALIS

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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly

It's possible villain bet ATs for thin value, so we can't call with A9.

Beating some value hands means that you need to call, but not beating any value doesn't necessarily mean you need to fold.

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09-10-2018 , 10:33 AM

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ULTRACURRY

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Our hand has no equity on the flop.. the SB calling range is almost low PPs and some KJ, QJ.. if he is a reg player..

Just fold flop..

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09-10-2018 , 10:33 AM

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Poker_Player

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Originally Posted by VALIS

Beating some value hands means that you need to call, but not beating any value doesn't necessarily mean you need to fold.

It does if we're pretty sure villain isn't bluffing.

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09-10-2018 , 11:06 AM

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Ojune

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^and how are we going to do that? Go to a wizards school?

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09-10-2018 , 11:30 AM

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VALIS

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Originally Posted by Ojune

^and how are we going to do that? Go to a wizards school?

It seems like in every one of these threads there's someone saying "this is literally never a bluff" and in some situations it's more understandable than others because bluffs there are harder to find, especially for people at low stakes.
This is not even one of those situations imo because it's very easy for villain to have any random hand that didn't have a pair and decided to go for it because they have no showdown value and didn't want to give up.

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09-10-2018 , 11:48 AM

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Brokenstars

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You have 3.5k hands on the guy.

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09-10-2018 , 11:57 AM

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Nothing Ventured

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Vil has 43% aggr percent... Not that much of a stretch to assume he can bluff with any two cards here. Also, with the 8% 3bet stat, I'd have to assume his PF range is either very weak or trapping.

I think this is one of the bluff catchers that can also be ahead of some of vil's value range and a frown-faced call

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09-10-2018 , 12:01 PM

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Poker_Player

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IME, without previous reads on villain, GENERALLY at the micros when people pot/pot it means they have it.

As I said, if I have seen villain pot/pot turn and river and show up with a bluff then it completely changes things. However, with no reads given on villain I'm pretty happy to assume he just has it here.

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09-10-2018 , 12:44 PM

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GusMcrae

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Originally Posted by Nothing Ventured

This post is closest to my line of thinking. The 8% 3! Indicates his range is pretty weak here. I don’t think he has lots of better aces, and since the flop was monochrome not many aces up, only 2 combos. So I’m calling.

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09-10-2018 , 01:37 PM

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Hougenie

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Originally Posted by ULTRACURRY

Our hand has no equity on the flop.. the SB calling range is almost low PPs and some KJ, QJ.. if he is a reg player..

Just fold flop..

What?
For me this is a call. He flats many aces pre and then donks turn and river. He could conceivably do this with a pp over flop to get you off your hand too. If he does this and has it we note it and move on. With no info I'm calling down here

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09-10-2018 , 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ULTRACURRY

Our hand has no equity on the flop.. the SB calling range is almost low PPs and some KJ, QJ.. if he is a reg player..

Just fold flop..

I checked flop lol

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09-10-2018 , 04:10 PM

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WorldzMine

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Originally Posted by Poker_Player

Without reads folding this hand on river because massive bets and not sure if villain does this w/ like AT or 76/87.

The problem is villain should never be doing this with any hand ever. I mean hero has one of his best bluffcatchers here and wants to fold, but also wants to call for exactly that reason. So villain's sizing is bad for value or a bluff.

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