I am going to assume trolling now

If you're busto you have bigger problems than trying to get laid imo. And if your goal is to pick up girls then you should do everything you can not to be a nit.

It all depends what kinda crowd you hang out with. If you go to upscale places, not being a nit means you gotta shell out some dough ie VIP, bottle service, expensive dinners etc. If you can't afford it then drop down to a level where you feel comfortable spending money. That way you'll apear to have money to burn and it'll make picking up girls that much easier. Plus you're gonna have tons more fun cuz ur not gonna give a **** about the bill. In general, everything is better when you don't care about the price.

French girl progress update:

I think I'm entering into one of the weirdest relationships I've been in, but I think it's going to work out pretty well. Backstory which came up when we first met, her last relationship was a 4 year open relationship, where she wanted to keep it open so she could explore her bisexual side but never took advantage of it. We had a big argument because I was like "lol open relationships, I'm shocked it didn't work out".

Anyways, out at dinner last night she brings it up again and asks why I still wanted to see her when we disagreed on such fundamental things. I basically said I'm down for an open relationship, I just don't think they are tenable once love gets involved. Disagreed here again but once she realized I was fine with the idea of one at least for now she was ok. I'm not sure if that means I'm now in one or not, but since for me open relationship = normal dating it doesn't really matter.

Still haven't banged yet (0/3 now) but feel like it's on the cards, gave me the heads up it was that time of the month last night so nothing could happen, plus she repeatedly talked about places we can bang when we go away, sex on the beach etc (oh yeah we are flying away for a long weekend in two weeks just the two of us).

On paper I feel like everything stacks up to this being a terrible decision (dating girl I'm not long term compatible with, who has [justifiable] issues from previous experiences, who I'm booking a getaway with after having only hung out 3x and haven't yet slept with) yet on the other hand I'm also entering a open relationship with a hot bisexual girl who I can tell will be a freak when we do actually hook up who is smart, funny and loves doing cool things (trips away, fine dining etc).

I feel like this will either end terribly or amazingly, will keep you posted.

It doesnt matter what the dealers think. I talk to some 2/5 pros and they tip $1 no matter how big the pot is. He is there to make money not make friends with the dealers.

And this. Amazinmets should concentrate on playing his A game so he can try to move up quickly and to more respectable stakes not trying to figure out a way to impress staff. If she sees you playing a lot of hours at 1/2 it really isnt a good thing imo.

Most casino staff will pay attention to guys that come for special events like big buy in mtts etc, those are the ballas waitresses will notice. If youre a full time 1/2-2/5 reg it isn't really an advantage imo. They don't care how much you tip in a 1/2 game.

Yes. I was walking from Don Cherry's to the Real Sports Bar. I'm used to stuff like this but the density of it has certainly increased which is weird since there has been a lot of development including a few upmarket towers and the demolition of some of the sketchy head shops and tattoo parlors. It seems like gentrification has made things worse.

Also who the **** would buy colour contacts from some guy on the street? It has to be the stupidest item to try to sell.

Not in my experience.

While this is true it comes at a cost. The further down you go the lower the percentage of hot girls so while the competition is easier it is also more focused and over a small prize.

i disagree that girls get uglier as you go down (excluding walmart-shopping trailer park trash and the real bottom of the barrel) and even if it is true, it's probably so close that most guys are probably better off hitting on lower/middle-class girls where there money would be a positive as opposed to a neutral with upper-class girls.

amazinmets is literally drawing dead with this cocktail waitress. Concentrate on poker dude.

This is curious to me, you really think that pissing off dealers is going to help you hook up with a server? The dealer/server relationship is very tight in most casinos. We have there back and they have ours, and the two groups hang out and talk a lot.

This is certainly not true in my experience. There are a half-dozen places I can think of that are really popular but cater to a low-income demographic and the few times I've gone the number of attractive girls in a packed venue never broke into double digits. At least a few times the number was zero.

Upmarket places that is never the case. The entire market is based on venues giving special treatment to hot girls so as to create an atmosphere where guys are willing to spend a lot of money. This also feeds into girl's egos of being hot enough to get the special treatment.

That was my read as well but it could be a learning experience.

Why would you ever want anyone pissed off at you? Treating all staff well is very important.

How is tipping $1 pissing off the dealer? I've seen people at the table abuse dealers for dealing them bad hands, now thats pissing off the dealer. I am saying amazingmets has no chance with this waitress and people saying he should tip more is basically terrible advice. He should concentrate on moving up the stakes and being the best poker player he can.

maybe it's because i live in NYC and there's just so many poor hipster-type girls who are very attractive. i'll agree that elite level women are virtually unattainable without insane amounts of money. but i don't think there's a huge difference in the types of girls that can be had by a guy making $250k/yr and 80k/yr.

also, rich girls are generally better put together and may appear to be more attractive (always have the nicest clothes etc.) but it's just a mirage.

on the other hand, the money can help maintain looks, which is significant. i think i've mentioned before that i had a very wealthy ex who would spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars a month on skin creams, lotions, hair products, etc. this is probably most significant for girls in their mid twenties to early 30s where aging issues become obvious.

Assuming I am drawing dead, what is to be learned from asking a girl out you have no chance with? Stay within your league?

80K and 250K is a huge difference. Your take home income on 80K in NYC is probably around 55-60K

Wait are you talking about the girls that hang out in high income places are the girls that make high income money? Those are two entirely different things. I think disko is right in that income levels are not affected greatly, although definitely some. As attractive people get preferential treatment in the workplace so probably make slightly more.

Good update fryke

You said it doesnt matter what the dealer thinks . In this situation, what they think of you might play a large role

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Don't really need advice but would listen to of course but Im bored and just wanted to update on the girl(A) that Ive been hanging out with

Hung out Friday night after she get off work, went to a great Mexican place, convo was good, rented a movie and hung out at her place for a while. I initiated a make out session and she reciprocated and enjoyed it and then kissed her again when I left.

Texted a bit Saturday and then we got some food last night and then hung out at my place and watched gladiator on tv. Made out more this time and I tried to escalate more but she wasn't having it, which was fine imo and it didn't cause any awkwardness as we still had good convo and made out more throughout the night

So yeah basically things are going pretty well with this chick(hung out 5 times) and I enjoy spending time with her and she's def not a sloot. She was all excited on because she has an exam on Friday and then doesn't have to work, so Im thinking Ill hang out with her then if not sooner.

Being in NYC has a significant impact if making $80k a year and $250k a year makes no difference to the type of girl you can get. Manhattan has always been a bit of a mystery for me because people always talk about how expensive it is so I picture one thing but then when it comes to RE topics the cost of Manhattan rentals are only slightly more than some Canadian cities. That aside $80k and $250k is a huge difference in most places. I would run out of money just on my fixed necessities on $80/year but on $250k/year I could easily be in the top 0.5% of guys in going out to bars in Ottawa. More would be nice but if you're late 20s and making $250k getting laid is super easy except in places like Manhattan and Vegas.

Also I think you might have misunderstood. I'm not talking about girls having money. Almost all of them don't. The point is that these places have a lot of appeal and the goal of a good promoter is to ensure that the place is pack with hot girls. Guys are not going to blow ****loads on money on bottle service if the VIP isn't giving them a good ratio. At some venues the bars even pay nobody level models to be guests -- obviously not in Ottawa but certainly in Vegas. If a guy is spending bottle service amounts and the VIP was just a bunch of other guys he would never go there again. So these places will allow hot girls free access and that makes them feel special so after that is it group female psychology of wanting to go and be choosen.

No. The girls can be whatever income as long as long as they are hot. That is the whole point. If a girl is poor and unattractive she has to go to cheap places. If a girl is poor and hot she can still get into the upscale places. This allows upscale places to drain the majority of hot girls from the other venues.

Manhattan rent prices are outrageous. Vancouver is the most expensive city in Canada right? Quick googling shows avg manhattan rent is double that of Vancouver.

A 1BR in a reasonable (not the best) neighborhood is probably going to run you near 3k a month.

Vancouver is the most expensive. That isn't a realistic market as the property values are ******ed. Just google crack house or mansion and you'll see what I mean.

I don't find $3000 for a 1BR high. I was paying ~$2450 for a 1BR in ****ty Ottawa 3 years ago. With the rent increases that would be around $2600-2700 by now. I pay $3500 for a two bedroom + den in the same building now. My building is not very nice either. It is starting to show age and maintenance is done by cheapest option so starting to fall apart. When people say expensive I assumed $5000+ for anything decent.

There's always gonna be someone cooler than you, so just go with what you have. Maximize your money. Maximize your fun.

Henry, can you clear some pm space please

Manhattan is not that expensive if you live in Harlem, Washington Heights, or Inwood. You can get a 1BR for less than 2K in those neighborhoods

Also, keep in mind that you do not need a car in Manhattan

Good time for a Custer "this is Student Life" rant.

Nobody wants to live there though