I would assume though the people who played the regular structure actually played more hands so could this not be thought of as an advantage??

If more variance is better than the turbo flight has an edge. But some mtters believe in passing up spots and coin flips for bigger edges so who knows.

If your argument is this format might give an edge solely at winning to some random guy in the turbo section than maybe you have a point.

But really this tournament is for the guy who wants to hit a huge score who can't afford the main event buy in....that might be why having the flights spread over a month does not make complete sense. Like a bunch of days leading up to the event might be better.

The only tourney structures I really have a problem with are the ones where guys with deep pockets can buy a day 2 stack. Other than that the rules are spelled out ahead of time so people can do what they want.

You cant be serious. Such an obvious edge to turbo flight.

Last I checked anyone could choose to play the turbo flight. So if people think that it's such an advantage, then just play that flight

Which of my 3 points do you dispute? If turbo structures are such an edge why do you always advocate slower structures? And if the turbo flight is so +EV, I assume I will see you in it?

I won't participate even if there is a $500k overlay.

Turbo has higher variance.

Lol. And you disregarded my other two questions.

Think chainsaw's stance is laughable. The soul purpose of poker tournaments Is to make money for the casinos. There is no integrity in poker. Wsop is s cash grab wpt is around too make money. Might as well try to get your piece.

Also chainsaw likely plays tight and passes on coin flips yet he mocks a turbo flight because it offers higher variance. Pretty laughable overall.

I wouldn't abuse the format by choosing the turbo level.

Id want to win fairly

So do you just take super high variance spots in every game like plo that offers them since it's such an advantage???

Is having a huge bankroll and playing every event at the wsop and taking high variance lines an edge???

I don't really think tournament poker is about fairness...is it good for there to be a sporting event??? Probably. But for most people it's either playing for recreational reasons or playing too make money.

One could make the argument the normal flights have the advantage because it was easier to survive and make day 2 with less need to gamble...I don't think it's an open and shut case. People can draw their own conclusions and play if they wish too.

GN Had an overlay of 17.5k in the 100k guarantee on May 28th.

This post is straight up gold.

Think about it. If a tournament has a feature like a turbo flight or quantum reload that only benefits certain players, it cant be fair to the others

If players couldnt choose to enter whichever flight they wished - much less any combination of flights - then yes, if a particular Day 1 flight provided an edge then that would be unfair to those that didn't play it.

This really should be obvious.

It's just your opinion that the turbo flight offers an advantage. There is no mathematical proof either way. You never listen to the other side of an argument and think you know more than anyone else.

Benefits of the non turbo flight : more hands played, better chance for a more skilled player to survive (survival is very important in tournaments)

It's also a crazy argument from a tight player. If accumulating big stacks is so important in poker why are you not playing a hyper lag style every tourney???

Just annoying you come here to bad mouth a tournament for whatever reason and cannot accept the fact you might be wrong.

Re-entry tournaments are not fair to people who can only afford one buy in but you still play them I'm sure????

It's obviously fine to present your argument. However, you could be somewhat open to the possibility you might be wrong. Or if you are correct adopt the concept to other tournies (take every super high variance spot you can.)

You could probably go place a $565 bet on a game of 3-card monty on that same day, on that same street too. But no one, but you, apparently, would suggest that the two activities were equivalent and we should therefore be able to compare them from a popularity standpoint.

They were two poker tournaments with same buyin across the street from each other.

format were somewhat different....you have one tourney is drags out for over a month while the others is done in a couple of days; a lot of players can't play one over the other because they are in town for a weekend.

Also one is a "real" tournament. The other is a glorified satellite with rules that incentivize corruption.

Such a lame response.
If i were there and dumped a portion of my stack to my friend right before day two how would you possibly know.

If i smuggled a few high denom chips from a later flight to my advancing stack you could catch me?

Check out Ikes comments in the best stack forward thread in nvg and get back to me.

If this is referring to the isle in Pompano i will meet with stan and discuss this with him next time im in Florida.

You dont even understand it. Obviously the guy who already bagged up has chips worth zero. He will lose them to someone who hasn't advanced. No wonder you've never caught anyone. Are you a player or a staff member?

Didnt post for an entire month. The post i responded to was so off base i felt it merited a response.

Heartland poker tour agreed to drop best stack forward after i discussed my concerns with them.

The fact that matt runs these events several times a year at commerce creates a bias towards the format.

For him to say nothing has ever happened in one of those events, especially at commerce, is completely naive.

Exactly how can anyone get caught in this scenario?

They have 250k stack from a prior flight.

(Multiple players have reentered this event that had huge advanced stacks prior.)

They have made it thru again and have 180k.

They are near the final cut down to 5%.

They will get the same bonus for making day 2 with one chip or with 200k.

They will have to forfeit any amount under 250k.

How will they be caught playing a pot against someone who hasn't yet advanced and losing most of their chips to them.

This is a complete freeroll. They leave themselves with enough chips to make day two and still receive the exact same payout, and also enable their friend to advance with a healthy stack.

I guess they could get caught stealing chips (your biggest claim) like in every other tournament played in the history of poker tournaments? A "complete freeroll" of running the risk of being banned from all major poker tournaments for a small equity chance of increasing odds of more than a mincash.

Now you have moved on to "dumping" chips which again can happen in any tournament ever created including and especially reentry tournaments with formats that force you to forfeit chips.

Player as always have a choice to play or not play as you have done here at Aria. You claim that there is "no benefit of this format" but I can think of a big one!

Sorry, your argument doesn't work. As ike so eloquently pointed out, this is the only format that creates scenarios where chips can have no value to you, but huge value to others.

This cannot happen in a standard reentry tournament.