I agree with RealMcCoy that WSOP will do what is in their best interest . ..Profit

And we all have to do what is in our best interest. Hopefully (Not realistically) ours and WSOP’s best interest is same.

I am vaccinated. I encourage others to get vaccinated if they feel its right for them. But I understand some people's hesitancy. It makes sense considering the continued uncertainty revolving all sorts of aspects of this pandemic.

The problem with your point of view is that almost anything can be deemed a public safety issue, and if that is the threshold, then pretty much anything can be mandated.

If you're waiting until you feel completely safe, then I think you will have a long time to wait. According to the data provided by the NV COVID website, many of the metrics now looks a lot like they did last summer. I would expect a significant spike to occur late in the fall and reach its peak by the end of the year. The good news is these metrics have been achieved in an environment with significantly fewer restrictions, and deaths are down 50% from this time last summer. Hopefully that year of year trend will continue.

I can't think of a single instance where a seller and a buyer have the same interests.

The WSOP payout calculator has been released for 2021...

https://www.wsop.com/2021/payoutcalculator/

I know its not your Tweet, but my reply to it would be... for the last year there have been tens of thousands of players in the US who were willing to sit next to hundreds of unvaccinated people for hours at a time. Poker tournaments have been booming in the places they are allowed. The only "no-brainer" attitude is one which thinks their way is the only way.

Getting it back on track, I’m guessing there’s a 60% chance it goes on as planned and 40% chance it’s at least modified, if not cancelled.

I can see them getting rid of the big field tournaments and only running the $10k+ ones.

Well, there isn't really a specific "active" mod in this thread - just a couple of us that cover off a number of forums that we aren't really involved in, so we might not be jumping into a thread as quickly as is ideal, sorry. Yes, reporting is extremely helpful.

"Hey mods" posts are pretty much never a great way to get a mod's attention - I'd say the vast majority of threads on 2+2 are never seen by a mod. Expecting mods to read every single post on the forum would be...a big ask. And as I detailed above, this forum is probably on the lower end in terms of mod activity. If you see a post you think is a problem, please use the Post Report feature (red triangle to the left of every post) - it's often the only way we'll know about it. Thanks.

This.

Covid's tricky, because it's impossible to talk about WSOP without some discussion of how Covid might affect it. If people stuck to that alone, there would be no issue, but as soon as someone starts in about the pros or cons of measures, someone else has to reply, and soon enough off we go into a political derail. If everyone could stick to Covid simply as it affects WSOP directly, that would be great, thanks. And if you disagree with someone's post, then make your counterpoints rather than simply dismissing them with an insult.

I'm going to be trimming a bunch of posts here (58, to be precise); hopefully everyone can understand that there will be a handful of borderline posts that a few people will be unhappy I deleted, or didn't delete...I tried my best to draw a line in a spot where it's difficult to do so.

Thx Bobo,

I started this thread so players can exchange information and benefited by other players knowledge and past experience.

I personally got many new and helpful information in last 10 years from this forum.

WSOP is an very important event in poker universe. We need this wealth of information.
At the end we all need to enjoy the destination. Let’s keep journey pleasant.

I talked to a friend who is very regular/active in Las Vegas daily poker scene. As per his understanding WSOP planned main event with the presumption of attracting 7500 participants. ( This was considering the situation at the time when WSOP schedule came out)

Fair enough, thanks. Sorry for my contribution to the derail/post delete count.

I think there are better possibility of modified events than cancellation. We all want some kind of 2021 WSOP. I will welcome even with modifications.

I hope Reunion and Seniors events survive any modifications.

If the state imposes occupancy limits, I think the WSOP will just cancel all except maybe a handful of small field events which can be carefully controlled. Unlike places like the Venetian or Wynn, the WSOP hasn’t operated in an environment with restrictions and I don’t think they would be willing to make the necessary investments to do so. It’s easier to just cancel (or significantly abridge). Hopefully it won’t come to that.

I don't think they'll do that. If they're going to modify it, they would get rid of the mega-sized events, basically anything with a $1500 or lower buy-in. If they wanted to have only small field events they would have to limit it to large buy-in events over $10k and the ones nobody likes, as in triple draw, 2-7 and like that.

But they would have to get rid of the Main too, and they won't run a Series without the Main. I think they'd rather cancel the whole thing than run a Series without the Main.

We should know for sure in a couple weeks.

I wonder what would happen if they did just the Main. Cancel every other event except that one. It’d be interesting to see how large, or small, the field would be. On one hand, the gamblers with a WSOP itch they want to scratch would be reduced to one option for an event and would likely save some money from not buying in for other events. On the other hand, a lot of people either wouldn’t be able to afford it or wouldn’t be willing to make the trip out there just for the Main. But then again, other tournament series’ would be going on and might justify a trip to Vegas.

Plus, I bet there would be a lot more staking going on as stakers would have more money on account of fewer events to stake people in and would likely have more people staked in the Main. Regardless, I’m guessing it would be a smaller field size than in years past but filled with more fervent players.

I very much doubt that the WSOP would be canceled, even if people were falling over dead in the streets. We've seen how casino greed has caused the price of everything to skyrocket, even though service is much worse and amenities are drastically cut back. They obviously want to earn back all their lost profits right now. So since WSOP players fill up the hotel, eat at insanely overpriced restaurants (and with little choice, buy the $8 hot dogs), and yeah, pay the massive vig for every tournament they enter, there's no way that CZR will kill that cash cow.

Even if it's a diseased cow.

I wonder if they could even do that, given the cost of all the infrastructure they have to set up. Plus, it's getting unlikely they'll have much of an international field. People have to make travel plans and the window for that is closing.

Here is the brake down of demographic:

Top Ten Countries Represented in 2019 WSOP Main Event
Total entries 8569
Almost 30% international players


RANK COUNTRY PLAYERS
1 United States 6,110
2 Canada 420
3 United Kingdom 414
4 France 151
5 China 117
6 Germany 105
7 Brazil 104
8 Australia 91
9 Russia 79
10 Austria 73

And Top Ten States Represented in 2019 WSOP Main Event

RANK STATE ENTRIES
1 California 1,057
2 Nevada 698
3 Florida 540
4 New York 478
5 Texas 442
6 New Jersey 240
7 Illinois 236
8 Massachusetts 194
9 Ohio 169
10 Pennsylvania 157

Based on 2019 figures,if international Travell is not relaxed we are expecting less than 7000 considering Canada will be allowed. ?

Anyone else seen this nugget found by Kevmath?

https://twitter.com/kevmath/status/1...008035844?s=21

I saw that and you’d have to be insane to go now. Why take the risk of a DQ if they determine you were within 6 feet of some knucklehead who shows up sick?

I’m staying home this year.

Sounds tough but it’s usual legal language.

Not surprised at all!

Imagine getting COVID on day one, but not getting a positive test until just before the money on day 3 and getting kicked out.

OTOH, the rule seems to allow for a vaccine and/or negative test requirement.

I'd go if proof of vaccine was a requirement.

Yes this rule seems like precursor for requirement for vaccinations and or Covid test proof .

It usually takes 4 days from infection to get symptoms.

Large tournament series have been held in Vegas and elsewhere, even through the height of Covid last winter. I haven’t heard of any particularly controversial situations. And I would be pretty surprised if the WSOP policy were drastically different from what has been implemented in other venues. Of course, the WSOP sometimes marches to its own drumbeat, so I guess there’s no way to know for sure how they might apply their discretion.

And four days to get from day 1A or 1B to get to day 3