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12-20-2019 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
as for Marriage Story....why do I want to see a movie about the dissolution of a marriage? Jesus.
One of the reviews I read said it was Kramer vs Kramer with both leads played by Meryl Streep.
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12-20-2019 , 07:43 PM
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

I was 13 when the first Star Wars came out in '77. I saw it in the theaters at least 10 times. 40 years later, it's still damn cool and The Rise of Skywalker is a worthy ending to the saga.

I had a blast. I've really enjoyed this last trilogy, even though I thought the 2nd one had a tone problem.

I don't understand the hate this one is getting. Compare it to the JJ Abrams Mission Impossible movie - if you liked that, you'd like this.

These are movies for kids. These are for children....why people take them any more seriously than a good romp, I don't know.

I loved it. Great, great fun.
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12-20-2019 , 10:36 PM
While I won't be seeing Cats because lolCats, the reviews are entertaining:



Cats is the worst thing to happen to cats since dogs.

I felt the light inside me slowly fading.

It's amazing to see what Adult Swim can accomplish with a $100 million budget.

First off, full disclosure - I am not a cat person. Second off - after watching this frankly mortifying film adaptation of Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cats, I'm not altogether sure I am a movie person anymore either.

Can you make a movie so bad that the Academy takes back your Best Director Oscar?

Furries ain't claiming this

(regarding the CGI): the effect is truly horrifying, like a Snapchat filter created by David Cronenberg.

All the actors are trying their hardest

I didn't hate it

This is the CGI from Scorpion King

both a horror and an endurance test

In the autumn of 2015, I adopted two lovely stray cats while living in Berlin. After I took them to the vet to be neutered, they returned with upset stomachs due to the anesthetic used. I left them alone for a few hours while I went to the supermarket – when I came back, in either a random tragedy or a deliberate act of feline revenge – one of them had managed to direct his explosive diarrhea all over the bottom shelf of my bookcase. Naively I assumed this was the most abhorrent cat-related incident I would ever bare witness to. I suppose, in some twisted way, I should be impressed Tom Hooper has managed to best this horrifying visual experience with his all-singing, all-dancing abomination.
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12-21-2019 , 12:22 AM
I did get a full laugh out of one review that was like, by the end of the movie one lucky cat has died while us unfortunate souls continue to live on

So one else said the reviews must be what it's like to experience a Lovecraftian horror
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12-21-2019 , 01:25 AM
Damn, now I wanna see it lol
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12-21-2019 , 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Damn, now I wanna see it lol
I was thinking the same thing, but please please please stop writing stuff that's going to make me go see it.

Singing? dancing? how bad could it be?
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12-21-2019 , 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

I was 13 when the first Star Wars came out in '77. I saw it in the theaters at least 10 times. 40 years later, it's still damn cool and The Rise of Skywalker is a worthy ending to the saga.

I had a blast. I've really enjoyed this last trilogy, even though I thought the 2nd one had a tone problem.

I don't understand the hate this one is getting. Compare it to the JJ Abrams Mission Impossible movie - if you liked that, you'd like this.

These are movies for kids. These are for children....why people take them any more seriously than a good romp, I don't know.

I loved it. Great, great fun.
Dom

First of all- no one can take away the emotion/nostalgia a movie brings to you. At the same time when you discuss said movie with a different person it's essential to understand that they're likely not viewing it through the same lenses.

I love Star Wars. My little brother is one of the biggest nerds of anything I've ever met, and he's a Star Wars nerd. Our family watches them constantly. I've seen the prequels more times than I'd like to count. I am a prequel apologist and will defend them until the end. I also enjoyed The Force Awakens, even though it was basically a ripoff of A New Hope. But The Last Jedi didn't just have a "tone problem". It was an objectively terrible film on every level, and I will do my best to detail why.

1) A lot of it was just pointless. Why did Rose & Finn go on their wild goose chase? If you break it down none of it mattered to the film at all. The answer, of course, is simple---they had nothing to do with those characters. Why didn't Holdo just tell Poe what her plan was? Remember when Holdo and Leia are doin their condescending smirk look when the plan is revealed "ahh that hothead is a good kid"? Ya that was cute. But again, it highlighted how dumb made the entire arc. Just tell the guy what you have up your sleeve? Instead 30 min was spent watching Poe rally the troops to upend Holdo, only for them to pull the rug out from under us because HA, she knew what she was doing all along! When it woulda been as simple as her just saying "hey bud, here's the plan."

2) The film inflicts serious problems on the canon. So Leia can force fly huh? Why is she the first to do that? Why has no one ever thought to hyper space a ship into another? George Lucas spent 3 movies establishing and developing Luke Skywalker as the symbol of hope. A man who would fight until the end, and die to protect his friends. You're telling me he'd come to the brink of murdering HIS BEST FRIEND AND HIS SISTERS' CHILD? And then exile himself when the rebellion needed him and become a grouchy old man? Even Mark Hamill hated that.

3) Rose sucks. She's not Jar Jar bad, but she's bad. So at the beginning of the film her sister gives her life for the cause. Rose stops Finn from running away and tries to arrest him for abandoning the cause. And then at the end, as Finn is trying to sacrifice himself for the cause, Rose stops him? And is gonna let everyone die? Remember she doesn't know Luke is about to show up. And why? "That's how we're gonna win, not fighting what we hate, saving what we love." The explosion in the background that is supposed to make her kissing Finn look prettier is literally the rebel base being blown up. She just, presumably, got everyone killed, so she could get one kiss in with a dude she has a crush on before they all die. Pathetic.

4) It tried to be a Marvel movie. Disney basically decided "ok we have a formula that works, let's stick with it." I guess I'm saying what you said about "tone problem", but the need to force lame jokes in (opening the movie with a your mom joke, Rey asking Kylo to put a shirt on, etc) just don't fit a Star Wars movie at all. I like Marvel movies, and don't mind a good amount of the humor in those films. I think they find a good balance and it works most of the time. But Star Wars movies aren't Marvel movies. It's supposed to be more serious imo. I understand the first 7 movies had comic relief littered in, but it was much more blatant in TLJ. Also, why the **** are they all so happy at the end of the film? Everything Empire Strikes Back was this film wasn't.

5) It didn't do much to advance the story, and it killed many of the mystery. Why are we even supposed to care about 9? As I said previously, TFA was basically ANH ripoff, but they did open some new threads. Who are Rey's parents? Who is Snoke? The Last Jedi cut those off at the head real quick with extremely underwhelming answers.

There's just nothing. You don't feel Reys' struggle---she's had nothing to overcome, and has already been established as stronger than the main antagonist. You don't understand why Kylo is who he is---say what you want about the first 3 and/or Hayden Christianson's acting, but from a storytelling perspective the downfall if Anakin Skywalker is at least developed and mapped out. You don't really care about Finn or Poe because, aside from Finn once being a stormtrooper (which was a thread that had potential and they just haven't done anything with) we don't really know anything about them. For a counter example, Han was a great supporting character because he was a greedy, selfish, smuggler who threw away everything to help the rebellion. So what exactly are the stakes here? It's the responsibility of the 2nd film in a trilogy to carry on the momentum the first one built, while raising the stakes. The Last Jedi didn't really accomplish anything.

I think I'm going to like The Rise of Skywalker.. I liked The Force Awakens, I believe JJ had an actual plan for the trilogy and Rian Johnson just decided to do his own thing, so I think he can squeeze out a fine ending. But The Last Jedi is just an awful movie on every level. I guess it looks pretty? But everything else is terrible. I would actually be interested in somebody who sort of enjoyed it to try and type out a counter-argument merely from a story-telling perspective. What was even good about it? From where I sit, when you combine expectations, resources, and the responsibility this movie had to a movie franchises legacy, The Last Jedi is one of the worst movies of all time.
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12-21-2019 , 05:15 AM
I appreciate the effort that all took, but "your results may vary" is basically what this is.
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12-21-2019 , 05:17 AM


What in the actual **** is this? A remake of the brilliant Force Majeure that turns it into a madcap Will Ferrell romp?

Come on.
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12-21-2019 , 08:10 AM
I'm not gonna lie... TC is a little badarse.



Im calling it now... I don't think Maverick comes out of this one alive

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12-21-2019 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic


What in the actual **** is this? A remake of the brilliant Force Majeure that turns it into a madcap Will Ferrell romp?

Come on.
Love Ferrell but yeah ugh

watched:

The Death of Dick Long (Daniel Scheinert, 2019)

Lol. It was okay. Will probably gain some sort of following because of its out-there plot.
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12-21-2019 , 11:20 AM
First, about all this talk of Cats & Andrew Lloyd Webber: don't forget, he's also what turned Sarah Brightman loose on the world. I don't know if that's a mark in his favor or against.

Second. Children of Men came on one of my movie channels last night. I don't think it was something I would've watched without the discussion in this thread, so thank you for that.

I couldn't buy the initial premise. Women quit being able to conceive because reasons--we're not even going to try to explain it.

But, that's not really what the movie was about, and it wound around that wonderfully, so that's a pedantic nit on my part.

I'm actually kind of glad I didn't see it until now. I tend to have this odd, cynically optimistic view of the world: individual people, and small groups with power will act in their best interest, but over time, society overcomes that. The arc of justice and all that.

Anyway, I think if I'd seen that in 2006, it wouldn't have been so powerful. I would've thought there's no way that xenophobia could reach such heights as to lock people in cages for being in the wrong place. (Noticed a background sign that said "all foreigners are illegal", or something like that, for example).

Amazing how prescient that film is, having the advantage of being able to look back through time.

Really a must-see for anyone who has an interest in the immigration issue.

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12-21-2019 , 01:55 PM
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I would actually be interested in somebody who sort of enjoyed it to try and type out a counter-argument merely from a story-telling perspective. What was even good about it? .
I agree. The Last Jedi is an awful movie on many levels, but anyone defending it has a hard time saying why beyond praising the "bold new direction” and casting diversity.
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12-21-2019 , 02:14 PM
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I appreciate the effort that all took, but "your results may vary" is basically what this is.
Or like giving detailed facts why the earth isn't flat and getting "ok boomer" in reply.

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12-21-2019 , 03:55 PM
Star Wars debates might be the actual measurable worst thing on earth.
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12-21-2019 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

I was 13 when the first Star Wars came out in '77. I saw it in the theaters at least 10 times. 40 years later, it's still damn cool and The Rise of Skywalker is a worthy ending to the saga.

I had a blast. I've really enjoyed this last trilogy, even though I thought the 2nd one had a tone problem.

I don't understand the hate this one is getting. Compare it to the JJ Abrams Mission Impossible movie - if you liked that, you'd like this.

These are movies for kids. These are for children....why people take them any more seriously than a good romp, I don't know.

I loved it. Great, great fun.


Ok, Boomer
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12-21-2019 , 04:03 PM
Followed up Bi Gan's Long Day's Journey Into Night with Burning. Equally long and equally mystifying, certainly not for everyone, but movies to soak in. As an elixir, I followed up Burning with The Man Who Came to Dinner. Wow, Bette Davis had quite the walk.
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12-21-2019 , 04:09 PM
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Ok, Boomer
LOL this is the first time I've been "Ok, Boomered."

I was born in 1963....is that really a boomer? I thought Boomers cut-off was 1962.

John Cole is a Boomer.
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12-21-2019 , 04:12 PM
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LOL this is the first time I've been "Ok, Boomered."



I was born in 1963....is that really a boomer? I thought Boomers cut-off was 1962.



John Cole is a Boomer.
Ok, Boomer. Boomers between 1946-1964. You could have Googled it if you weren't such a Boomer.
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12-21-2019 , 04:16 PM
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Ok, Boomer. Boomers between 1946-1964. You could have Googled it if you weren't such a Boomer.



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Originally Posted by Dominic
LOL this is the first time I've been "Ok, Boomered."



I was born in 1963....is that really a boomer? I thought Boomers cut-off was 1962.



John Cole is a Boomer.

Haha older than me and I'm old af.
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12-21-2019 , 04:32 PM
As a gen Xer I feel young itt.
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12-21-2019 , 05:27 PM
I am not a boomer. I mean, I don't even own a suit.
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12-21-2019 , 05:28 PM
This was posted by me in the last movie thread, date May 31st, 2013:

I showed this gal I'm dating the "Before" movies that Rushmore loves so much, in preparation for when the next one gets to Vegas. She loved them and said they are two of the best movies she's ever seen.

She may be a keeper.


Heh. Still going strong 7 years later....
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12-21-2019 , 05:50 PM
If you don’t like the Before Trilogy you are a bad person. It’s just science.
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12-21-2019 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
This was posted by me in the last movie thread, date May 31st, 2013:

I showed this gal I'm dating the "Before" movies that Rushmore loves so much, in preparation for when the next one gets to Vegas. She loved them and said they are two of the best movies she's ever seen.

She may be a keeper.


Heh. Still going strong 7 years later....
It's a sufficient test.
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