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09-29-2012 , 04:57 PM
The ending is worth seeing, cos it's so nuts. It's probably on youtube I would think.

I also think this scene was actually used in a music video, but I can't remember the song.
09-29-2012 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Looper was good...but time paradox story lines can never make sense.
Nothing in the movie was paradoxical, it's just a mix of alternate time lines and back to the future disappearances. I hate time travel scifi for the most part but the great thing about this movie was that it wasn't trying to wow you with some convoluted paradox about time travel. The time travel was more just a setting to tell a Great story.
09-29-2012 , 08:08 PM
Yeah I was slightly put off at first since I was hoping for something mind-blowing like Twelve Monkeys (Bruce Willis being in both didn't help), but I'm fine with what I got instead: an expertly made love letter to every good time travel movie ever.

Or to put it in another way, while I figured out what the ending of the movie would likely be a little over halfway into the film, I still immensely enjoyed the second half since I was so impressed by how smart the writing of the film was.
09-29-2012 , 09:29 PM
Has anyone watched that new Pusher movie? I've seen the 3 Danish movies and I liked them all, is this a more of an english remake or is it original?
09-29-2012 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by shinja59
Yeah I was slightly put off at first since I was hoping for something mind-blowing like Twelve Monkeys (Bruce Willis being in both didn't help), but I'm fine with what I got instead: an expertly made love letter to every good time travel movie ever.

Or to put it in another way, while I figured out what the ending of the movie would likely be a little over halfway into the film, I still immensely enjoyed the second half since I was so impressed by how smart the writing of the film was.
Ya its kind of easy to compare this to 12 monkeys. Monkeys has a better designed world and is probably better scifi but I would say that looper had more emotional resonance with me than 12 monkeys and had a more impactful ending which was on of monkeys weaknesses.
09-30-2012 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ianlippert
Nothing in the movie was paradoxical, it's just a mix of alternate time lines and back to the future disappearances. I hate time travel scifi for the most part but the great thing about this movie was that it wasn't trying to wow you with some convoluted paradox about time travel. The time travel was more just a setting to tell a Great story.
Spoiler:
As some people haven't seen it yet, I'm putting my response in a spoler tag. It most definitely had paradoxical elements. If young Joe killed himself in the past, how did old Joe even exist to be sent back to the past.
09-30-2012 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Doc T River
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As some people haven't seen it yet, I'm putting my response in a spoler tag. It most definitely had paradoxical elements. If young Joe killed himself in the past, how did old Joe even exist to be sent back to the past.
Spoiler:
That's why Willis disappeared back to the future style. Once you understand the rules it makes sense. It's like you can go back and alter what timeline you are on but the future of that timeline exists simultaneously with the present of the that timeline.

So Willis goes back and is worried that his memories will change, ie that he would shift to an alternate timeline but ends up disappearing because once Levitt kills himself Willis ceases to exist on that time line.

In any case I loved how they dismissed the whole trying to figure it out with the "we'll be here all day" scene. That's what I liked about the movie, the time travel wasn't really the point of the movie. It's was about one mans conflict with himself and the time travel was just there to facilitate that idea.
09-30-2012 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Looper was good...but time paradox story lines can never make sense.
Lotsa Spoilers


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I think the most hand-wavy part was when they were dismembering Paul Dano and having it effect the guy who I thought was William Katt (Old man Paul Dano). Unless they were trying to show that modifications to the young one when both are in the same "time" only affect the old one at the same "that time" and not over the entire course of their life.

The Rainmaker payoff was awesome, and the kid did a great job. When I saw that scene I immediately thought "so this is what happens when Akira meets Back to the Future."
09-30-2012 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Jake7777
Has anyone watched that new Pusher movie? I've seen the 3 Danish movies and I liked them all, is this a more of an english remake or is it original?
It's totally a remake. Virtually no deviation from the original (first one) so not worth watching. Not sure why they bothered to remake what was already a good movie. The same actor who played Milo appeared in this, he was easily the best thing in it.

For those of you who haven't seen it the Danish Pusher trilogy is worth a watch. Dark, real and absorbing.
09-30-2012 , 12:50 PM
I won't subscribe to any idea that allows for duality in movement thru time... you CAN travel forward in time fairly easily... you CAN look back thru time fairly easily... you CAN NOT travel backwards in time string theory or not.

maybe, I stress maybe, you can SHIFT from time line to time line... but that is not going backwards in time and those time lines would never be able to interact with each other in any meaningful way.

I would subscribe to an idea for a movie that allow for forward time travel... Oh wait, Rod Serling help do that in 1968... Planet of the Apes.

Suspension of disbelief has been concluded... Over and out.
09-30-2012 , 12:59 PM
FYI

This Thursday(4th)... Lawrence of Arabia.

One night only.
09-30-2012 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ianlippert
Nothing in the movie was paradoxical, it's just a mix of alternate time lines and back to the future disappearances. I hate time travel scifi for the most part but the great thing about this movie was that it wasn't trying to wow you with some convoluted paradox about time travel. The time travel was more just a setting to tell a Great story.
lol..come, on...it's all paradoxical. If Gordon can stop Willis at the end by doing what he did, then Willis wouldn't have been there in the first place. And so on.

Now, if you want to suggest that any time someone time travels to the past, it creates a separate timeline - like a parallel universe -i can buy that. But the movie doesn't suggest it.
09-30-2012 , 01:41 PM
Watching films with family is so tilting. No-one shuts the **** up.
09-30-2012 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dude113
Watching films with family is so tilting. No-one shuts the **** up.

why is he doing that? where are they? wow is he gonna die? *walks away talking on the phone*, god this movie is so slow, when does it pick up?
09-30-2012 , 01:58 PM
Once Upon A Time In The West

Though I have more fun with The Good The Bad And The Ugly, whenever I watch this it burns into my consciousness and lodges there for days afterwards. While watching it, it doesnt seem so mesmeric and haunting, but afterwards...

Every now and then a scene just pops in my head, sometimes Jason Robards' face, sometimes that beautiful music that plays as Jill walks through the town, or Fonda and Cardinale in bed. It haunts me still, days after watching. When my mind is idle, it seeks out this movie the way a sore tongue keeps seeking the hole left when a filling drops out.

It's about how the transitory and violent nature and drives of men is the thing that gets changes done, but when they burn away, it's the women that endure and make it work. And more.

92/100

Last edited by diebitter; 09-30-2012 at 02:03 PM.
09-30-2012 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
lol..come, on...it's all paradoxical. If Gordon can stop Willis at the end by doing what he did, then Willis wouldn't have been there in the first place. And so on.

Now, if you want to suggest that any time someone time travels to the past, it creates a separate timeline - like a parallel universe -i can buy that. But the movie doesn't suggest it.
Exactly. This is like that short story where two guys travel back in time, an ancestor of one of them dies, and that guy from the future ceases to exist.
09-30-2012 , 03:43 PM
Stolen

Enjoyed it 7/10
09-30-2012 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
lol..come, on...it's all paradoxical. If Gordon can stop Willis at the end by doing what he did, then Willis wouldn't have been there in the first place. And so on.

Now, if you want to suggest that any time someone time travels to the past, it creates a separate timeline - like a parallel universe -i can buy that. But the movie doesn't suggest it.
The movie suggested parallel time lines when

Spoiler:
after the first time young joe tried to kill old joe and willis jumped him and escaped it cut to the montage of that scene from willis' view where he closes his loop and goes on to grow old and then travel back in time. So already you have alternate universes, one with willis getting killed and another where he escapes.

I guess the problem is that when he dies we are now in back to the future time travel where you are in one timeline and the time line forces consistency on the whole time line, ie once you die every instance of yourself vanishes.

I dont think either of those is paradoxical in themselves and are both classic ways science fiction has tried to deal with the paradox of time travel. The problem is that the writer chose one system of time travel when he needed an alternate universe and he chose another when he needed characters to die. Its just bad writing, which I guess I didnt notice because everything else was so well written. Its not really explained why when Levitt's character kills himself Willis cant just go on in a new time line other than the fact that the writer needed an impactful ending.
09-30-2012 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Once Upon A Time In The West

Though I have more fun with The Good The Bad And The Ugly, whenever I watch this it burns into my consciousness and lodges there for days afterwards. While watching it, it doesnt seem so mesmeric and haunting, but afterwards...

Every now and then a scene just pops in my head, sometimes Jason Robards' face, sometimes that beautiful music that plays as Jill walks through the town, or Fonda and Cardinale in bed. It haunts me still, days after watching. When my mind is idle, it seeks out this movie the way a sore tongue keeps seeking the hole left when a filling drops out.

It's about how the transitory and violent nature and drives of men is the thing that gets changes done, but when they burn away, it's the women that endure and make it work. And more.

92/100
I just watched that yesterday myself! It was great. It always gets high praise from loungers and I have been wanting to rewatch for a while. Its probably been 30+ years since my last viewing making it pretty much brand new to me. The only thing I really remembered was rthe opening scene which was truly fantastic. I love how Bronson, Fonda and Robards all all legitimate badasses to the highest level.
09-30-2012 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Looper was good...but time paradox story lines can never make sense.
It's like Back To The Future never existed.
09-30-2012 , 07:50 PM
Back to the Future did it very well. I'll give you that!
09-30-2012 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Once Upon A Time In The West

Though I have more fun with The Good The Bad And The Ugly, whenever I watch this it burns into my consciousness and lodges there for days afterwards. While watching it, it doesnt seem so mesmeric and haunting, but afterwards...

Every now and then a scene just pops in my head, sometimes Jason Robards' face, sometimes that beautiful music that plays as Jill walks through the town, or Fonda and Cardinale in bed. It haunts me still, days after watching. When my mind is idle, it seeks out this movie the way a sore tongue keeps seeking the hole left when a filling drops out.

It's about how the transitory and violent nature and drives of men is the thing that gets changes done, but when they burn away, it's the women that endure and make it work. And more.

92/100
That shot of Jill waiting for her husband and leaving town is a masterclass of framing, editing, camera movement, and scoring. I love how the music crescendos when the crane reaches its height over the train station.

This is a neat video about the locations used in the movie.
09-30-2012 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Once Upon A Time In The West

Though I have more fun with The Good The Bad And The Ugly, whenever I watch this it burns into my consciousness and lodges there for days afterwards. While watching it, it doesnt seem so mesmeric and haunting, but afterwards...

Every now and then a scene just pops in my head, sometimes Jason Robards' face, sometimes that beautiful music that plays as Jill walks through the town, or Fonda and Cardinale in bed. It haunts me still, days after watching. When my mind is idle, it seeks out this movie the way a sore tongue keeps seeking the hole left when a filling drops out.

It's about how the transitory and violent nature and drives of men is the thing that gets changes done, but when they burn away, it's the women that endure and make it work. And more.

92/100
One of the Best Westerns ever made, if not thee best (IMO). Is worth viewing at least once a year - right after seeing Yojimbo.
09-30-2012 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Back to the Future did it very well. I'll give you that!
So you were ok with people disappearing in back to the future?
09-30-2012 , 11:49 PM
Yes, because they set the rules at the beginning.

      
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