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05-31-2017 , 09:43 AM
Certainly a long shot can be valuable and interesting, as that Touch of Evil clip demonstrates. But that's something else entirely, where a long shot provides a different experience to the viewer. Clovis is saying that the ONE SHOT MOVIE BRO has value in and of itself, exactly because of how difficult it is. Even though the exact same visual effect could be produced with dozens of cuts, as I'm sure he agrees.

And the fact that the movie is crassly advertised as a ONE SHOT MOVIE BRO adds to my point. The director is bragging about his pointless achievement. Gross.
05-31-2017 , 09:49 AM
I hate that it's advertised as a one shot movie - you can imagine all the hipsters stroking their bushbeards and nodding along, pretending to be experts on film - but that probably comes from the marketing side, not the director.
05-31-2017 , 09:51 AM
This is a more eloquent version of what I'm trying to say

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Shooting an entire feature film continuously, without a single cut, is a dumb idea. It was a dumb idea 67 years ago, when Alfred Hitchcock attempted to create the illusion of having done so in Rope (hiding the necessary edits by zooming into actors’ backs), and it’s still a dumb idea today, when lightweight video cameras make the feat genuinely possible. Even when it’s done with a sense of purpose—the best-justified example is probably Alexander Sokurov’s Russian Ark (2002), a whirlwind historical tour of the Hermitage Museum—it’s still fundamentally a gimmick, calling undue attention to its own virtuosity. (That’s especially true of Birdman, which pointlessly fakes a single-shot technique despite taking place over several weeks.)
http://www.avclub.com/review/victori...t-movie-226392
05-31-2017 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
I hate that it's advertised as a one shot movie - you can imagine all the hipsters stroking their bushbeards and nodding along, pretending to be experts on film - but that probably comes from the marketing side, not the director.
Exactly my point. ONE SHOT BRO is like the only technical aspect of film making that casual hipster film fan can grasp and appreciate. Which is the whole reason it is a thing! Like no hipster is going to be all OMG THAT LIGHTING IS SO SICK. Or DID YOU HEAR THAT SOUND EDITING!?!? But they can see that the film is one shot (not that they would have noticed it if they hadn't been told). Which is the only reason ONE SHOT MOVIE BRO is a thing.
05-31-2017 , 10:16 AM
The long action takes from Children of Men are a big part of the reason that film was so brilliant. The fake one take in Birdman and Rope were expertly done, and enhanced the viewing experience. Some movies (and directors) need lots of small cuts (watch anything by Guy Ritchie). It's a different style. This seems like that taken to the extreme.

I'll give a bad analogy. I'm not a huge magic fan, but I do enjoy the close up card tricks that obviously take a lot of practice and hard work. Other people like the big spectacles like disappearing airplanes. And then there are those people who, I can't understand why, but enjoy watching a man sit on a block of ice for a week straight without eating, drinking, peeing, etc... I don't get the fascination with this, but some people obviously do because David Blaine is really famous and rich from doing things like this. This seems like the film version of that stunt.
05-31-2017 , 10:30 AM
The long action shots in Children of Men were indeed great. They did add to the film. But that actually aptly demonstrates my point. They were done for a purpose, and they weren't actually single shots

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However, the commonly reported statement that the action scenes are continuous shots[65] is not entirely true. Visual effects supervisor Frazer Churchill explains that the effects team had to "combine several takes to create impossibly long shots", where their job was to "create the illusion of a continuous camera move." Once the team was able to create a "seamless blend", they would move on to the next shot. These techniques were important for three continuous shots: the coffee shop explosion in the opening shot, the car ambush, and the battlefield scene. The coffee shop scene was composed of "two different takes shot over two consecutive days"; the car ambush was shot in "six sections and at four different locations over one week and required five seamless digital transitions"; and the battlefield scene "was captured in five separate takes over two locations". Churchill and the Double Negative team created over 160 of these types of effects for the film.[66] In an interview with Variety, Cuarón acknowledged this nature of the "single-shot" action sequences: "Maybe I'm spilling a big secret, but sometimes it's more than what it looks like. The important thing is how you blend everything and how you keep the perception of a fluid choreography through all of these different pieces."[9]
Yes. Exactly. Cuaron was shooting these shots not because it was difficult, not because he wanted SINGLE SHOT BRO bragging rights, but because it added to the visual effect of the film. He didn't care that he actually had to splice five shots together to make it look like one shot. He wanted a certain visual effect, and he got it.
05-31-2017 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
I'd give this an 8 as a film, a 10 for cinematography & a 12 for balls. Not only is it shot in one continuous take, it's done so over 22 (wildly different!) locations. Incredible.

Director Sebastian Schipper filmed three takes on different days and claims the first two weren't good. I'd love to see them. I recommend the film to anyone remotely cinephilic.

I'd love thoughts on this (from people who have and have not seen the film): how many people who watch the film (without knowing) would realise it was filmed in one take? I'd like to think I'd notice but I'm not sure.

A pet peeve is the academy & other awards giving bodies ignoring 'minor films' like this. The cinematography was incredible. I haven't seen The Revenant which won the cinematography Oscar but the work in Victoria was surely more worthy of a nomination than Carol, Sicario or The Hateful Eight (most of which was in a single room FFS!). Similarly no Oscar nomination for Ralph Fiennes's perfect performance as a bon vivant rocket in A Bigger Splash - there's a list of the twenty "best" films of the year & only actors/cinematographers/directors from those twenty films are eligible for an award.
I didn't care much for Victoria, wrote about it here in January. For a better action movie with a female protagonist in Europe, try Run Lola Run.

On cinematography, that's not really how it works. I could see an argument for it with Victoria but I didn't think it was particularly memorable and I would definitely favor Hateful Eight (which I also don't like overall). It's not relevant whether it took place in a single room or not (Hateful has enough beautifully shot outdoor snow scenes to make that complaint irrelevant anyway), you're confusing basically "most" cinematography with "best" cinematography as Film Crit Hulk would say. (Example: people are quick to jump to a flashy role like the Joker or a drug addict for Best Actor awards, with no thought to understated performances. "Most" acting, not "Best" acting. Costumes are often some 18th century period piece, etc.)
05-31-2017 , 11:22 PM
Wonder Woman coming in at 94% after 120 reviews is blowing my mind.
06-01-2017 , 07:32 AM
Prepare to be preached to...
06-01-2017 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MSchu18
Prepare to be preached to...
Yes indeed.

From "women only" screenings to the press junkets touting "woman power",I'd imagine it's already got the "don't say anything bad about this or be labeled misogynistic" vibe.

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06-01-2017 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Eeyorefora
Yes indeed.

From "women only" screenings to the press junkets touting "woman power",I'd imagine it's already got the "don't say anything bad about this or be labeled misogynistic" vibe.
That's beyond idiotic.
06-01-2017 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MSchu18
Prepare to be preached to...
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Originally Posted by Eeyorefora
Yes indeed.

From "women only" screenings to the press junkets touting "woman power",I'd imagine it's already got the "don't say anything bad about this or be labeled misogynistic" vibe.

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Dumb ****s. Both should be tempbanned for misogyny. Seriously.

You're just an utterly gigantic piece of trash if you have something bad to say about a woman only screening, or put "woman power" in quotes like that.
06-01-2017 , 01:17 PM
I don't know, Baltimore, I don't really care if theaters have women-only screenings of Wonder Woman, but, by definition, to do so is sexist.
06-01-2017 , 01:23 PM
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The Alamo Drafthouse began responding with comments like, "We've never done showings where you had to be a man to get in, but we *did* show the Entourage movie a few years ago"
lol elite trolling
06-01-2017 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Baltimore Jones
Dumb ****s. Both should be tempbanned for misogyny. Seriously.

You're just an utterly gigantic piece of trash if you have something bad to say about a woman only screening, or put "woman power" in quotes like that.
Seems to me like women only screenings is the sexist thing here not these posts.
06-01-2017 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Baltimore Jones
Dumb ****s. Both should be tempbanned for misogyny. Seriously.

You're just an utterly gigantic piece of trash if you have something bad to say about a woman only screening, or put "woman power" in quotes like that.
Really?

Perceived "misogynistic" views are not allowed?

No one was personally insulting,maybe the view isn't popular with you,but you can't say film hasn't been used to drive an agenda.







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06-01-2017 , 02:05 PM
Locke - 5/10

Locke stars Tom Hardy and he is the only person to take the screen the entire movie. In fact, the entire 90 min movie takes place in real time while he's driving in his car taking multiple phone calls that will determine the course of his night and subsequently his life.

I hesitated to watch this because I thought the format sounded boring and I was both right and wrong. Hardy is a fantastic actor and one of the few who could make this movie work at all. It's a simple performance but maybe reason enough to watch.

The story is mostly interesting and well done and they found some cool ways to keep it fresh and engaging. But I did not feel like this was a complete story and ever since the closing credits I have liked it less.

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I tried to tip toe around it but I found the ending anticlimactic and unsatisfying. The entire movie lays the groundwork for several problems the protagonist has created for himself. The whole time you are wondering if he's doing the right thing, if things will work out, is there a twist, etc. and then the movie just ends. As it was fading out I literally said to the screen "no you're not done yet".

My gf disagreed with me and likes having to ponder the unknown but in my opinion this is not a much better ending than "it was all a dream!"

People seem to like the movie so I'm curious what y'all think

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06-01-2017 , 02:47 PM
I don't even know how my comment, "prepare to be preached to", would be misconstrued as something that it is not... unless that misconception is tainted inexorably by the viewers own misgivings and insensitivity.

I think it is perfectly natural and in fact natal to expect a healthy dose of "mothering" from the storyline... which was the context of my initial comment.

Boom... headshot.
06-01-2017 , 04:22 PM
Locke is the kind of movie a talented budding director would make in film school. It's apt you brought it up when you did since I felt it fitted SenorKeeed's description of a filmmaker adding an unnecessary restriction to "prove themselves". Except I can actually say that since I've seen Locke.
06-01-2017 , 05:35 PM
Also that ****ing accent is immensely distracting. Part Russian, part Welsh, part English part god knows what, 100% ****ed.
06-01-2017 , 05:51 PM
Oh good the men's rights morons get to whine for weeks now because a movie was made that stars a woman.
06-01-2017 , 08:37 PM
It's Baltimore's incessant politarding up this movie thread with pc bull**** I object to.
06-01-2017 , 09:37 PM
My raggedy misogynistic are is waiting in line to see WW...
Knucklehead.
06-01-2017 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MSchu18
Ghost World released today by Criterion... this is a truly great comic book adaptation unlike the vast majority of the Comic book/Graphic novel tripe that comes out of the studio's systematically.

Extras are at a minimum on this release and it suffers from a horrid narration second track, but the movie itself is wonderful with a new 4k scan of the original 35mm print.

One cherry on top in the supplements is the complete nearly six minute Jaan Pehechaan Ho musical video instead of the abbreviated version scene on youtube.

This is probably one of my personal favorite comic book movies.
What ever happened to Thora Birch. She was gorgeous. Talented too. She just kind of disappeared.
06-01-2017 , 11:55 PM
She had father-manager issues...some weird stuff

      
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