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03-08-2016 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by mutigers
the witch was quite good. i liked it more than the babadook. still thinking about it last night. saw it at an alamo drafthouse and really got in the mood with the pre-preview (normally dumb trivia and music and such) which was a huge hodgepodge of scenes of old obscure scenes from movies with witches from the 1920s-1970s. some were very bizarre and scarier than the movie

Oh yea with Hail Caesar they did that too, showing clips from many of the movies that are referenced in the film (the big synchronized swimming scene, Sinatra as a singing sailor, etc.)

PSA: Alamo Drafthouse is showing the new Pee Wee Netflix movie free ($5 for a food-beverage voucher to reserve the seat) next week, the first showing will have Reubens in a Q&A (live if you're in Austin I guess, satellite if elsewhere).
03-08-2016 , 12:46 PM
Regarding the prostitutes in Unforgiven, they aren't portrayed as bad (and no one meant it was because they were offered a horse) but Francis Fisher is definitely portrayed as part of the story of how violence sows violence. The woman who was actually cut is a big contrast.
03-08-2016 , 12:49 PM
Enrique, thanks for the spoiler jerk.
03-08-2016 , 01:15 PM
Why read after it says "SPOILER" in capital letters? Sorry I didn't put in the spoiler box.
03-08-2016 , 01:24 PM
Little Bill is definitely a bad guy. Before becoming a sheriff, he was just another killer. Remember the story about him killing an unarmed man (Two Guns) because he was jealous over a woman?


The deputies seemed kinda nice tho.
03-08-2016 , 01:48 PM
Very standard btw for movies/shows that set out to show the futility of violence/crime to fail horribly and actually just make it all seem that much more appealing.
03-08-2016 , 01:53 PM
People do love Mystic River, right? Because it's awesome and I think it does what Clint was trying to get at in Unforgiven.
03-08-2016 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MSchu18
Law and order... bad.

I blame Mtv... :facepalm:

That is the question the movie asks, of you... What is moral, and what is NOT moral?

As with most all more modern western movies, this movie is also a morality play... how it differs and stands head and shoulders above many western movies is that is has no clear right or wrong. All the characters are FULLY DEVELOPED and motivated by very well defined clear motivational elements... the bad guys are not merely bad for the sake of being a motivating element for the good to play off of. As a matter of fact, this movie plays out from the "bad guys" perspectives more so than it does from that of the good.

When watching the Unforgiven, it is a bit like watching a legal case play out in court... was this killing justified? In my humble O, Munny is guilty of murder... aka bad guy.

This isnt "frontier justice".
I am not against L&O. In fact, I have multiple family and friends in law enforcement. Lil Bill was portrayed as a sadistic *******.

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Originally Posted by microbet
Little Bill is disgusting. I can't imagine thinking he's a good guy.
Yup. Was the killing of/displaying of Ned a 'good' action?

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Originally Posted by mutigers
the witch was quite good. i liked it more than the babadook. still thinking about it last night.
Agreed. I'm still thinking about it a week later and will snap buy it on DVD.
03-08-2016 , 02:04 PM
And Gene Hackman is really awesome at Little Bill. Best supporting actor oscar well deserved.
03-08-2016 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BigPoppa
Little Bill is definitely a bad guy. Before becoming a sheriff, he was just another killer. Remember the story about him killing an unarmed man (Two Guns) because he was jealous over a woman?
English Bob did that, not Little Bill.

Little Bill tells the real story of Two Guns to the writer while holding them in jail:

03-08-2016 , 04:32 PM
Yeah, Little Bill didn't shoot the unarmed man in that story. He still did beat a prisoner to death. Not gentle like before, but bad.
03-08-2016 , 05:34 PM
I think for the nature of the characters and the roles they play to really resonate, you need to have grown up watching the classic westerns (I did even though I am in my 20's, my dad showed them to me).
03-08-2016 , 07:22 PM
Eddie the Eagle: managed to make a fun & entertaining movie without a single 3 dimensional character in the entire movie (including the lead).
03-08-2016 , 07:32 PM
Watched Zootopia with my kid.. and.. it was very good. I wasn't looking forward to this one as the previews don't do it justice at all - but definitely worth it for parent and kid (7+ kids)
03-08-2016 , 07:35 PM
I liked Zootopia quite a bit
03-08-2016 , 08:09 PM
I thought Zootopia was really good as well. Definitely some great messages about equality, individuality, not judging a book by its cover, and pursuing your dreams for the children ... And adults.
03-08-2016 , 11:01 PM
little bill is def not a good guy.
I did feel bad for the partner of the guy who cut the whore, he def didn't deserve to die and it was one of the things that bothered me the most, but it just reinforces the notion that there was zero actual justice back in that period.

if anything he was one of the only decent characters in the whole film.

there weren't any "good guys" persay.
03-08-2016 , 11:03 PM
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it."
03-09-2016 , 12:36 AM
The Witch - I'm not sure what I just watched. And I don't exactly know how I feel about it either. There are certain elements that are undoubtedly excellent - the acting (especially the children who were able to master archaic English dialogue), the costumes, the location, the filmography itself. However, that dark grey/black palette that shaded every shot of the movie created an eerie, depressing atmosphere that also prevented me from actually being able to tell what was going on. At one point, I couldn't tell the dog from the horse. It took me a while with the language as I was confused with what the actors were saying at some points. So I feel like I need to watch it again to get a better grip on this thing.

However, I have a few questions (nits):

Spoiler:
So ultimately, were we supposed to believe that Black Phillip was the Devil himself? And he was more responsible for the breakdown of the family than the witch herself (I'm assuming it was just one witch that was terrorizing them though they show that circle of several witches at the end)? I'm asking this because if you assume Black Phillip is ultimately responsible, wasn't the family ****ed before they were expelled and had to move anyway? They brought the evil with them in addition to picking a very poor spot for their new home.


Spoiler:
Also, what was the Father's crime exactly that earned the family's banishment? Did the film ever really say? Was it blasphemy?
03-09-2016 , 01:43 AM
Well, this is interesting:

The 2nd Wachowski brother (The Matix) has now come out as transgender, and has transitioned. Andy Wachowski is now Lilly Wachowski, and joins her sister Lana as a woman. So now, I guess they are the "Wachowski Sisters."
03-09-2016 , 02:25 AM
wtf you serious

03-09-2016 , 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by SimpleSam
The Witch - I'm not sure what I just watched. And I don't exactly know how I feel about it either. There are certain elements that are undoubtedly excellent - the acting (especially the children who were able to master archaic English dialogue), the costumes, the location, the filmography itself. However, that dark grey/black palette that shaded every shot of the movie created an eerie, depressing atmosphere that also prevented me from actually being able to tell what was going on. At one point, I couldn't tell the dog from the horse. It took me a while with the language as I was confused with what the actors were saying at some points. So I feel like I need to watch it again to get a better grip on this thing.

However, I have a few questions (nits):

Spoiler:
So ultimately, were we supposed to believe that Black Phillip was the Devil himself? And he was more responsible for the breakdown of the family than the witch herself (I'm assuming it was just one witch that was terrorizing them though they show that circle of several witches at the end)? I'm asking this because if you assume Black Phillip is ultimately responsible, wasn't the family ****ed before they were expelled and had to move anyway? They brought the evil with them in addition to picking a very poor spot for their new home.


Spoiler:
Also, what was the Father's crime exactly that earned the family's banishment? Did the film ever really say? Was it blasphemy?
Bolded, sounds like you need to talk with the theatre manager. That's a fault with the projection, not the film.

Spoiler question #1

Spoiler:
The entire family was responsible for what happened. Each of them is guilty of one or more sins. Thomasin played during the sabbath. The twins lied and whispered to the devil. The boy was guilty of lust, his hormonal instincts got the better of him, and he lied to his mother about going into the woods with his father. The father was guilty of pride, of lying and basically being a ****ty father. etc etc. Black Phillip and the witches merely whispered into their eyes, an inkling of evil was enough to tear them apart and have them self implode.


Spoiler quesiton #2

Spoiler:
We don't know enough to know why they were banished. Could have been blasphemy. He did/said something that didn't line up with the church at the plantation. We don't need to know the full story, I'm glad they didn't dwell on that in the beginning. Just boom, banished, gtfo, let's get into some evil ****!
03-09-2016 , 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TheCroShow
Bolded, sounds like you need to talk with the theatre manager. That's a fault with the projection, not the film.

Spoiler question #1

Spoiler:
The entire family was responsible for what happened. Each of them is guilty of one or more sins. Thomasin played during the sabbath. The twins lied and whispered to the devil. The boy was guilty of lust, his hormonal instincts got the better of him, and he lied to his mother about going into the woods with his father. The father was guilty of pride, of lying and basically being a ****ty father. etc etc. Black Phillip and the witches merely whispered into their eyes, an inkling of evil was enough to tear them apart and have them self implode.


Spoiler quesiton #2

Spoiler:
We don't know enough to know why they were banished. Could have been blasphemy. He did/said something that didn't line up with the church at the plantation. We don't need to know the full story, I'm glad they didn't dwell on that in the beginning. Just boom, banished, gtfo, let's get into some evil ****!
Agree with both. Great film.
03-09-2016 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
People do love Mystic River, right? Because it's awesome and I think it does what Clint was trying to get at in Unforgiven.
I haven't seen it since it 1st came out, but I was a big fan at the time, might be time for a rewatch.

Just checked IMDB (8.0) and Rotten Tomatoes (87%).
03-09-2016 , 06:54 PM
Sicario

The actors playing Kate and Reggie are both British? Wow. Amazing accents.

I'm surprised Emily Blunt didn't get an Oscar nomination. She was phenomenal.

Film was excellent

Spoiler:
the first half. Then it got a little complex and Benicio Del Toro going Jack Bauer was a JumpTheShark moment. I'm all in favour of a realistic drug wars film that shows the U.S government is maybe not the super good guy but that was too much. The acting, directing and cinematography were all outstanding.

      
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