ah okay cool thanks

For my 1L first semester, I got my Torts grade back within a week but it took a month for me to get Civ Pro. So, YMMV.

Only know one person that used Themis and he has failed IL bar three times. Not much of a self-starter though so YMWV.

As for grades previous life as a college registrar tells me that somewhere on the academic calendar it says what day teachers have to have grades in. That is when the bulk of your grades will show up. Just FB stalk the gunners though as they are constantly checking and can save you the work.

Definitely don't start anxiously checking for grades quite yet. Depending on the school, might take 1 month + in some cases. Best strategy imo is to completely forget the final even existed for a couple weeks at least.

cool thanks everyone!

Crim law final up Thursday, but i'm not too worried about that one tbh. Then the mother, civ pro, where highest score last yr for exam was 83/250 lol

Need to persuade someone not to go to law school (not interested in discussing why) -- anyone have any particularly compelling links I can send his way? I already plan on sending The Crisis of the American Law School article by Paul Campos.

It's pretty simple. Tell him if spending ~200k to spend a bunch of time in a teaching model that will be completely obsolete in 5-10 years. Trying really hard to beat fellow students on pointless exams by mentioning 1 thing they didn't mention, all of which will have no relevance to anything else in life and then competing really hard for a 70k/year job where if you're lucky and get hired you do mindless bs and work a lot of hours, is something he might be interested in, then do it!! I know this is sort of generic , if he has a full ride to top 10 school, obviously it'd be somewhat different as far as job prospects go

http://www.law.yale.edu/documents/pd...lable_hour.pdf

Obviously everyone's experience/requirements vary but this breakdown give some sense of demands on an attorney's time.

Ah, yes, I've seen this and think it's pretty effective; going to send it his way -- thanks!

2 comments:

1. It seems like attorney's love to exaggerate. From law school and on until people are 80, they want to seem important and hard working so they have these "insane" schedules. I doubt very seriously if any of these people actually keep this schedule and even more seriously if they are working at full bore for all of that time. I don't even know if it's truly possible.

2. Anyone who does keep that type of schedule is mentally ill in my opinion. There's life to live out there. Unless you just have some weird obsession with the stuff you do at work and you have no outside life whatsoever, you shouldn't be keeping a schedule like that. People can piss off. I have 100+ cases and my schedule is not bad at all.

Yeah I know a ton of people who work way more hours than that. Also, lunch for a biglaw associate is like 10 mins, same if one works through dinner.

Look, I cant speak to their work quality but people can and do work 80 hour weeks. I think they are insane, but many come out of law school owing a quarter million dollars. They do not really have a choice.

My schedule:

Sunday 4:00 pm - 1:00 am
Monday - Thursday: 8:30 - 6:30 + log on after kids go to bed for an hour or two
Friday 8:30 - 6:00

I took my family to Europe for 3 weeks this summer, and between sick days/personal days, took another 5 days off. My requirements are 1850 billable hours (which I will hit any day) and 200 professional development hours. Pro bono counts toward professional development. Lunch is usually bringing documents to review into the kitchen, although if someone else is in there I will usually chat rather than work.

The Sunday and weeknight part of my schedule really sucks, but it is the only way that I get to see my kids and get my hours in (I get them off to school, have 7:00 - 9:00 during the week and all of Saturday to hang out). Being an attorney is not particularly fun or exciting, and it is not something I really dreamed of doing. But I really like the people I work with, and I can't think of a better way to make $150K+ with my educational background (dropped out of PhD in English to go to law school). Between being the sole breadwinner, having mounds of debt, mostly from my English grad school excursion, and the desire to send my kids to very good schools, my costs are pretty high, so for me this all works out and I basically consider myself lucky. There are people working way longer hours for way less pay. When I graduated in 2010, my friends were interviewing for insurance defense jobs that demanded 2200 billable hours for $65K/year in pay. And outside the legal field, there are tons of people cobbling together multiple jobs to put in the same total hours for way less.

Not sure if I suck or what but almost hit the trifecta of losing a dom rel hearing, civil trial, and felony trial all in a few days. Didn't win any but did get felony guy to take his plea, or since that sounds coercive, I convinced him of it's merits.

Also a guy asked me about repping him to try to regain guardianship of a child my gut tells me he is molesting. Told him no multiple times, but he's still bugging me. Any tips on shaking him off for good.

Write him a non-engagement letter.

Maybe it's just because my generation is constantly on social media, but I've never seen so much complaining in my life. You would think that were going through a genocide or something the way my classmates complain.

I feel like I can't really say anything since they are fellow "co-workers" and don't want to piss anyone off too much , but it's truly unbelievable.

Does this self-loathing/hating everything attitude continue after 1L? or does the intensity just not simmer down ever?

everyone sucks forever

He's right FWIW.

Need Advice

So about a year ago, I was given a summons for disorderly conduct in another state from the one I live in. I was prepared to fight it in court, but the DA offered me a local ordinance charge, which was a $200 fine + court fees and no criminal record. As she explained it, "it would be like an expensive traffic violation."

I felt I couldn't really say no to this, and agreed.

Now I'm applying to law school, and many schools are super anal about admitting everything. I already "lied" on some apps, saying I wasn't convicted of a charge which technically isn't true I suppose. But now other schools want to know if I was ever arrested or charged, even if it was dropped, etc. If I tell them the truth, I feel like I have to go back and call all the schools I applied to already and tell them about the change, and it's not like I forgot to write my name somewhere. This is not an auspicious addition. Can I tell some and not others? Do I have to tell any?

I'm sure you'll all say just disclose everything. But can law schools really find out this information about me? If they can, then what is the ****ing point of having something that doesn't go on your criminal record?

Good luck passing the bar!

you're telling me I can't take bar because of this?

Go back and tell the schools you didn't tell previously. Tell schools going forward. The thing you got busted for wouldn't cause you to fail C&F but non-disclosure could.

No but seriously can someone answer this?

Law schools probably wouldn't find out. But law examiners (who screen for the bar) would, because they'll ask you to disclose every minor thing in the world, which would certainly include the arrest. Then you'll have to talk about the disposition. They'll also look at your law school app and see a mismatch.

I mean you have the option of lying to law schools and then lying to the board of law examiners, all while investing a large sum of money into law school and then just hoping that you don't get blown up after you've already spent it all, but that's a really bad idea.

Doesn't "no criminal record" mean you weren't convicted? It sounds like deferred disposition. I would call them all up. There is a very good chance that they are running everyone through a database and if something comes up, then you are a "liar" and that's all bad.

Just tell them exactly like you told us here, "I had this charge and this offer and I took it, but I'm not sure if I was ever actually convicted or not."