to all the pansies that don't wish to be converted and claim that they'll sabotage their new team:

if i have conversion capabilities, i intend to convert only those that expressed the desire to not be converted solely so they lose after they undermine my team.

wusses

dmk,

sup dawg, your post kind of answers itself. Let's say you were a villager who jumped up and down and helped save a wolf on d1 of a game. Would you be likely to play it the same way next time?

(I'm just going to answer for luckay because we're masons)

did you mean aceofspades?

no, i meant PTV. but it applies in the exact same manner

it depends on how much i believed what i was saying the first time, etc. i wouldn't have said it in the first place

I hate posts that say nothing and also argue against themselves.

ANd oti reads my mind.


I am going to disagree here. I think that the Mets vote and the "logic" behind it is too simpleminded to have been done by a wolf. It struck me as moer a "hey, mets wanted two villas dead, therefore mets is wolf" snap reaction.

I can dig it.

WER

THingy. VCD, AAO and globe are most likely villas.

nobody kill me because if and when I get the powers, I'm going to kill shorty in the coolest way ever.

swearsies

So, the flood could be a neutral faction. In the game, they can put themselves together and regenerate. It's kinda cool, their arms roam around trying to find bodies and stuff. I'm not signaling you morans, just saying there might be a lost wolf mechanic.

Dustin is villa, ducy?

Other villas imo - werx, aao

If Luckay turns up wolf, dmk is a wolf.

People I have my eye on - digger, mets, kukra, cdl

People I think are wolfy - gotgame, dkgo

In before "bigger is wolfy because he never posts like this".

A list of (quite well formatted in my opinion) reads:
Thread cat is a UTR wolf who typically shies away from drawing over attention to himself. In http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...5&postcount=15, and this post, he openly draws attention to a rather wolfy game strat he was planning on employing (not keeping up with the thread); however, I know that he was planning on doing this pregame, because of how long these games typically have like 800 post d1s. On that note, ty to the mods – limiting post count in situations such as these = win imo. In any case, TC = villa iyam

I very much enjoyed this post by housenuts. Big villa lean ldo.

Added later: btw not an actual villa lean – it was meant as a joke but seeing as how I later actually do have housenuts as a villager lean, I don't want to confuse anyone who is reading this. Joke now, real later

Akson wins lurker of the year award, and not fake derwipok lurking, (which basically equals any sort of posting afaik), but realy, legit lurking. The “I posted once at BOD and haven't said anything for the 50 minutes since then … oh look someone mentioned/voted for me. I should probably respond” kind
So, wolf points. After this he fluffs around for a bit but that part is standard akson

I liked this post by luckbox. Not for any identifiable reason, but I was getting bad vibes from OTI too (not based on a ton of stuff; just a minor tone read I guess)

When housenuts responds to OTI's vote on him, OTI responds thusly, which sounds really weird:

and revenge votes for the one person who is on him?

I am going to completely disagree withthis post by luckbox. I don't see why anyone who simply happens to enter the thread later than everyone else should be denied standard openings. Therefore, perfectly acceptible. Plus I doubt AOS usually posts 20 times in the same day anyway

OTI, ww player extraordinaire, 11th in the draft pick, widely respected by all except drontier is worried enough about being a d1 wagon that he wouldn't even post until late in the day? I seriously doubt that he, as a wolf, is that scared to post. Therefore, him saying "I'm a villager because I didn't do that" is wolfy

This is also a good point.
Village points to housenuts for tone and also being on the same wavelength as me about OTI's posts

This post of AOS's came right after the RL conversation reveal by Rockmaninoff (awesome name btw – sorry you got modkilled). To that post I say; wat?

I found this post by luckbox to be a teensy bit villagery. Wolves are more likely not to question villager leans on them. Obviously not a huge tell, and quite easy to replicate, but it still makes him >rand to be villa imo

This post is sort of villagery imo. I guess I'm thinking of housenuts' last wolf game that I know of – Drew Carey, in which he managed to stay super UTR while accruing absolutely no suspicion

I really want this post by AOS to be a joke but I fear that it is not. Anyone think he actually believes this?

qft

This is a very good point by kukra. (Not really). How would what he is discussing ever be a reliable wolf tell (as opposed to something random that happened to occur once). Afaik there is no correlation between questioning new / newer before played with players (why new players in particular? ???) about past games and being a wolf, and also, why does he bring up LOTR? Was there a post count restriction in that game as well? I tried to check, but couldn't find anything about it with a “control find”. In any case, kukra's post basically doesn't make sense from any angle. I would appreciate an explanation of wherefore all of those particular thoughts got thrown together

Later addition: Kukra refers to LOTR again in post 141; I take it that he is comparing them because they were both huge mishmashes. In any case, I still maintain it still doesn't make sense in the post that I refer to above to refer to LOTR in particular while referencing a particular wolf tell (why would it apply more to LOTR than any other game???)

Wat? He quotes someone who has contributed nothing (ewalsh)'s villager lean of cdl and then votes for cdl. Quoting that there makes no sense. Voting with no explanation is wolfy. Additionally, I really don't think cdl's post is wolfy at all – if anything, it's villagery. Yes, I shall say slightly villagery. Plus spaceman just made 6 (and counting) completely contentless posts in a row, which is quite anti village.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=16180574&postcount=144"]I lol'd. Ty globe[/URL]

Thingyman is a lock villager. Call it a super read I guess

Luckay is villagery from his long series of posts about joining an anti-flood pact, especially when he followed it up with “Fail. Really?” after Wahoo voted for him

A very villagery post by chips

This post contains good points by jonnyd. Granted, chips had also incriminated AOS for that post directly above, but I Jonny seemed to be living in his own world at the time, and I doubt he repeats a read that obviously as a wolf in any case. If that was the plan, then good job. Lol

Oh, come on

Thingy is still a villager. Coolaments

Village points to aao. I agree that it is impossible for luckay to change up his game. He would never, ever think that others might compare recent games to this one and dole out wolf points accordingly
^sarcasm ldo. Not wolfy though. It is, after all, true

qft

Good post by keanu. Makes a lot of sense I don't find it all that incrimating though tbh. Being fine with making 1 entrance post does not equal an inability to dislike the 20 posts/day rule

This post by shortline is completely nonsensical, and I think I can safely say that shortline is pretty much a lock wolf at this point. Firstly, that road is of reasonable width, making it not all that dangerous. Secondly, they are riding on camels, which are neither wide nor fast, not to mention their excellent footing

This post by globe was about 100X more helpful than kukra's reference to LOTR. I still, however, hardly think that it is a reliable tell, or should be given any credence. Globe, however, did a bunch of research in order to determine that that was a wolf tell, and seems to be sincere in his belief that it will help – so, slight villager points

Weaksauce


Danny = villager

However, I can also see keanu's perspective in this exchange. I hereby officially dub them to be v/v

WERx has good reads. Lean villa

I peeked this guy. He is a villager

More villagery content from luckbox; good points, unaffected response. I am officially upgrading him from "slight villa lean" to "villa lean"

Luckbox is still a villager

Randed list is randed. I'd like some explanations of some of these; housenuts-wolf – you made that after the opening post, and never reconsidered, or what? Also caedus-wolf – you think you can read him this early, after he's made only 1 or 2 posts? Also, ptv-villa …..... wat? What he has done so far is wolfy bordering on neutral but can never imo be called villagery.

Also, iflat hops aboard the rollwave wagon, who imo is =rand to be a wolf at this point. Iflat; were you voting rollwave because he was your biggest wolf lean at the time or simply because he was up there and already a wagon?

? to Digger. Do you agree with the three I mentioned above, or just many of the others?

This is a very good point, and villagery. It seems to be written from a perspective of someone who genuinely wanted globe to get more use out of his “tell”. Additionally, Thingy questions the vailidity of the tell

The rest of the above post (This) shows thingy making many good points and a solid analysis. I'm not completely sold, but I will take WERx off my “slight villas” and stick him into “neutral”

I like this post by darthrob. Slight villa points for good leans I guess, but mostly just qf I expect I shall enjoy playing WW with this player regardless of role

Post; post

Yay, WN is a villager
Dmk; He's pushing AOS atm. I think at one point he may have said "AOS and PTV are wolfy" or something to that effect but I got the impression that he was mostly just calling PTV wolfy to show that jonny's analysis was good and villagery. I don't believe he was actually trying to wagon him yet

I, on the other hand, think we should lynch PTV today 100% of the time. Well, him or cardsman. They are easy d1 lynches so we should just go for it imo and not waste killing off a better player for lategame NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

Let it be known: I don't have AOS in the “easy mislynch” category; I have no principle related disagreement with lynching him today


Spectral Summery:

Villagery:
Thingyman
DannyOcean_
Housenuts
Thread cat
Luckbox
Chips Ahoy
JonnyD
Keanu
FCBLcomish
WN

A little bit villagery:
globe
Luckay
CDL

A little bit wolfy:
PTV
spaceman

Wolfy:
iflat
kukra
AKson
AOS
OTI

Aorn, my top two lynch candidates are AOS and OTI

/longest post

re-read and forgot to comment on this the first pass-through. odd that he picked out mets but doesn't mention housenuts who was the first to say "modkill", almost immediately

reads (extremely thin imo), orange = semi-wolfy:

****ATTENTION****

To anyone who is quoting a long post

Please, please, please delete most of the stuff in it, unless you are actually responding to it piece by piece.

Additionally, quoting something huge to make a one line remark is really annoying to wade through

I HEREBY FORBID THE QUOTING OF MY ENTIRE ABOVE POST

OK, so I wasn't going to waste posts, but............

Hot dam forsythio. I'm never voting you ever.

Also, this just in! Aries might be a wolf.

bigger,

I'm drunk, I want entertainment

Sweet! (This is not a waste of a post btw, because I was about to post this anyway)

Reevaluating rollwave on the basis that he has been active around POG since he made that one post and then got a lot of heat from it. Has anyone seen his wolf game before? All I know is his protoss game ... lol

Come to think of it, rollwave, have you ever been a wolf in a long game before? If so, can you direct me to it?

I think they said the shooting starts this afternoon.

Dear God. While reading this thread I couldn't get over how wolfy Luckay seemed to me for some reason, even if I couldn't figure out why. Maybe it's because I tried to start a fight with him and it went ignored. Or maybe those godawful Ellen posts out of no where. But the fact Dustin, Shorty, and dmk all agree with me, means it just has to be right.

Luckay

I did an impression of you last night before I started my century club challenge.

sigh....

I was mostly joking. I think lynching Luckay today is a horrible idea.

I'm going to take a nap

BTW I haven't yet gone to sleep so after going to sleep (in an hour or so) I then won't be here for the next, like, 7 probably. I'll still have 15 posts though, after this one, I believe

In any case, the main point of this post is to say that I often will have a commitment that goes from 6:30 to 10:30 with a ten minute break in the middle, very near to EOD. Me popping in to make last minute votes very near to EOD should not be considered as wolfy - I discussed this commitment very thoroughly pregame

Lastly, I quite like the post restriction rule - it wasn't until recently that I realized how much. Finding that there were only 250 or so posts made doing a thorough analysis actually a viable option, which is usually not the case in huge games. If there were already like 600 I'd just look at it and be like "screw this". Plus my first game ever was 39C - restricted posts, so I have a soft spot for them I guess

I guess the difference is that in this game bsball can't get muted. Damn.


Lastly lastly, there'll probably a lot of responses to my long post since I called out a lot of people - I will be attempting to respond to them collectively (as opposed to individually) in order to save posts

You've heard of dustin, shorty, dmk?

MORANS, ALL OF THEM

:P

I promise I'm going to shoot shorty when I get the chance

(cuz he's a wolf ido)

Yeah, you of all people it would seem weird to want to lynch him day 1. TBH, I see no real problem with lynching Luckay day 1. Also, where did Caedus go? I still want to fight him. He just sucker punched me and left.

If you want people to read your long posts, you should sprinkle an easter egg or two in there (white text doesn't count imo).

yea

nay, but bigger is likely villa.

village - don't waste bullets / plasma / whatever on me

just listen to dmk AND dustin AND chuckles AND me and lynch luckay before he gets a chance to level the village into oblivion. we're going to reduce this game to its basic villagery elements.