I wasn't talking about an ongoing game either I was discuss what should be a standard

Let's call us even

Setting issue maybe

Moocher has it out for me, for some reason I don't get

So once that gets resolved we can call it even

i don't think being a good wolf should price into somebody's villager game at all. they both should be evaluated in a vaccuum since skills pay the bills and you shouldn't get extra credit for being a lol wolf

also i think in spite of his wolf rep WN is often a super villagery villager that is easy to clear. good wolves can be obvious villagers too

thanks sexdoll. i don't actually have mets on ignore, but would prefer that people who were inclined to interact with him did. i don't want the thread to devolve into stupid arguments with him and whoever he baits into engaging.

i like well named

well named for mod

I thought well named thought well named wasn't a very good wolf?

This is coming from a vague recollection of a comment of his that was in-game so it is probably inaccurate. Pretty sure he was a villager that game. He may have also been a wolf; I'm fairly sure he wasn't a serial killer. It may have been a vanilla game. In fact I'm pretty sure it was a vanilla game and thus serial killer was outside his range at that point during the game. Not sure though.

Zdye admits he is baiting Me

Blame mets

Trollololol

This video game is cool and all but it would be better if they revealed the roles when people die imo

needs better graphics and it's soooooo unrealistic imo

I'm heeeeeeeeere


Not that I'm fishing for compliments after the bruising we just took in musketeers but what did I do that made you conclude I have tons of heart?

I listen to positive and negative feedback, so long as it isn't patently absurd

I'm more talking about consensus when saying how wolf games factor into village games. It also depends on what you value. If a big part of being a good villager is never being mislynched then having a rep as a bad wolf is pretty useful. WN was the rare case where he was pretty much impossible to lynch in either role for quite some time.

Personally I don't find being unmislynchable to be a super super valuable trait in a villager compared to being able to make good reads/wagon the correct people, but in terms of consensus-forming it obviously is.

And yeah, I agree on good wolves being able to be obvious villagers, and I think WN can be a super obvious villager. I just also think he's the exception (although most good players will be exceptions, obv).

WN is kinda adorably self-deprecating <3 But yeah I think he considers himself a meh wolf but his track record is very good.

I'm coming around to the no-reveal. A reasonable amount of information gets revealed. For instance, mafia get two NKs only as long as three of them are alive. There were three deaths last night, meaning two NKs and the one shot village vig. Therefore, Conrad the d1 lynch is guaranteed non-mafia.

This live WW thing is kind of interesting, how do I get in on this action.

Need a recommendation from Thingyman.

I suggest PM'ing him for more info.

if you are willing to listen to feedback, i made a post at you this morning from our turbo last night re: supporting your peeks/fakepeeks with logic

fwiw i do think you seem like you'll be fun to play with over the large sample.

H8 the no reveal.

Lol

not getting mislynched is pretty huge. you can trot out the goat wolf team vs a village of all swiitches, but you're drawing dead to win when all of the swiitches lack claire each other and pwn you

i agree on value vs skills but i think skills are far more interesting to debate.

i think a lot of good wolves are often obvious villagers.

I started a thread looking for interest for a 2+2 version.

Interested right now:

ChrisV
Luckay
soah
Bloobird
CDL
thingyman
Leo
CPHoya

Need one more for a 9er.

You and thingyman in the same game would obv be epic.

I'm 100% in.

EDIT: Dean, get in on this.

Open playbook-

I do a lot of things as villager that I intend to do in other games as wolf.

Can't read my poker face without a seer. 80% wins in 30+ games as wolf or SK

Almost every loss involving either poor hosting (not enforcing rules) or being caught via detective.

I won a game as a serial killer getting peeked n0. Last one standing, might I add.

If it benefits village to pressure scums but isn't 100% villagery the way I do it, it's more effective when scum.

In other words I appreciate your advice, but in the long term, it benefits me to not support my fakepeeks with anything.

Makes me harder to read.

I really really wanted to not be mislynched in the musketeers game.

I did things there that I will never do as wolf. Rare game for me, everyone thought I was villager the whole game until I smacked everyone too hard in the face too many times.

Still villagin.

being hard to read hurts you in ~ 3/4 of your games and helps you in ~ 1/4 of your games

seems pretty stupid