i've heard it both ways

maybe i just think you're a cute little puppy dog

my point is that i think your conditional read is pointless and i prefer actual reads instead

and i don't agree with you about how many people want to win the MVP award, i think there's a few people that definitely do and perhaps we can factor that in when making judgements about their role, but i think using that as a base for making reads on 'practically everyone' would be a mistake and is an unwise assumption to make about how this game will play out

No I'm fairly sure that's not it.

rofl what?

examples plz

Conditional reads are the best. They help solve the game. Single reads are dime a dozen and often wrong because that's what people generally play to. Mafia put less effort into faking things to achieve conditional reads.

i'll give you a treat if you SIT!

SIT!

Your two most recent posts before I made that comment.

what does that mean?

I'm not sure what these means. If you want me to comment on something, a link or quote would be helpful.

Cory is in my good list. Making some good points, seems to be evaluating the game, seems to be explaining himself without it sounded forced or over-explained.

jcohen is aggressive in either role

i guess i only really have turbo meta with him but he's someone i read on a "is he approaching the same game i am?" sort of level

I am a big fan of dichotomies. Just not false ones. Yours seem legit enough so far.

please quote them and explain why you think they are 'overly defensive/self-conscious'?

Ok so say you're mafia, right? Is there any chance you spend a lot of effort making a detailed interaction so that 1 town may or may not notice it and come to the conclusion that if you're town, your partner is also town? No, because you're never going to be that creative. On the other hand, you put a LOT of effort into making detailed interactions that may make someone think YOU ARE TOWN. Hence why conditional reads are more reliable.

Cory please tell me you're drinking beer and not red bull

No, I said they were gut reads... lol.

Votes from post 14 to post 863
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
3	traz	TommyDanger (43), merk_sa (58), Top Tier Tom (140)
3	TommyDanger	saberwolf13 (15), traz (50), Murska (33)
3	Phelanpt	Athexx (20), marvellosity (61), dbmurph22 (58)
2	lenC	well named (14), The Moocher (65)
1	The Moocher	Phelanpt (25)
1	merk_sa	tappokone (23)
1	Athexx	Thingyman (43)
1	well named	Luckbox Inc (28)
1	Luckbox Inc	DWetzel (37)
8	not voting	AngryPidgeon (0), Arcbell (15), corycurren (41), Crunkus (32), jcohen (26), lenC (3), weareking (0), yamato77 (9)

Would vote:

Traz, Tappo, Phelan, Luckbox, Yam

so 'gut' reads can't actually be explained?

i guess what i'm getting at is that i don't think there is anything 'overly defensive/self-conscious' in those posts and that you're making that up and now can't defend why you made that read

although this whole interaction does add credence to what you were saying about single reads being 'dime a dozen'

The Moocher yea there's no way you actually think I made that read up. That'd be a lie. And a terrible one.

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You can ask for more content and explanations but vote and find evils.

I feel like your list is full of players with stylistic similarities that are grating on you - or giving you an easy vote reason.

When I'm wolfing I specifically target individual villagers to make them think I'm a villager, it's not really that much effort you just need a good memory or you can see a read that someone made earlier in the day and then appear to come to the same conclusion in a similar way and they will think you're 'mind-melding' with them or w/e.

And presuming you do actually think what you're saying is true, regardless of your allignment, I still don't understand why you think this makes conditional reads more reliable. I tend to wait for people to die and then re-read them, also I don't see that conditional reads are any use on d1 when there are no bodies to pick over, how does it help us decide who to lynch today iyo?

Thanks for saying so.

In your view does anyone here feel strongly about anything? That's what I'm trying to ascertain right now. Hence what I said earlier about not being able to make heads or tails of who is invested in what.

I don't agree. I'm hearing plenty of talk about reads, so are you I assume. I don't know what any of it means, and knowing what all that kind of talk means is how I form reads. So I sort of think this is the opposite of a waste of time. I think this sentiment your expressing right now is a waste of time. Do you understand why I might say that?

Does everyone agree that all reads are thin and amount to nothing at this point?

You seem to be assuming this. I don't find this is clear at all. I think some of the language used contradicts this. I'd like to know about it right now if anyone has any actual reads they would characterize as anything other than thin and why. Then I'd like to talk about those reads in more detail.

I'd love to get the ball rolling. I'm just not there yet. I'm working on it. But then again, I'm not talking about a bunch of scum and town reads I already have either.

I don't give a **** what non-invested "feels" you get from my or anyone else's post. This is utter noise. You have no well-reasoned reads, fell no one else does, and you want me to come up with reads I don't have and you see no basis for.

Contrast this to my position. It sounds to me, unlike you, that other people have reads they believe in. I'd like to know more about that. Would you?

So the solution is to simply sit around with our thumbs up our ass talking about easily faked "feels"?

Screw that.

I give you all enough credit that as scum you can do this just fine.

I want to establish whether or not anyone has reads they feel worthy of anyone else taking a looking at. Then I want as many people to talk about them as possible.

I can't tell what I'm wasting my time addressing and what's worthy of discussing...because there is way too much going on.

If nobody truly feels invested in anything, that's data as well, we can go back and see if the posts to date match that newly expressed sentiment.

@All: Please take a second to confirm whether you actually feel you have any reads worth a **** right now and list why you feel the basis for that read is consistent with one alignment AND inconsistent with the other. If you're like me atm, feel free to say...I got nothing of consequence.

you made a read, i disagree with it and asked you to explain it, you can't, not sure what else i can think about it

i also object to the 'overly defensive/self-conscious' remark as it's along the same lines of 'Have you stopped beating your wife?' in that it's almost impossible to question what you're saying without you being able to say 'see, you're doing it again!' and here we are

I'm not parsing your first sentence there. What do you mean by that? I don't think I solved the game on day 1 or anything. Those are the people I'm reading the worst, everybody else is various levels of good or null.