I have no use for this mentality. This is the perfect recipe to simply make yourself immune to accountability. I've attempted in good faith to learn more about your process. You seem to be intent on simply creating a personal issue between us. I see no reason to proceed with our recent communications in the manner you've chosen.

You are implying here I'm shirking responsibility for my reading the thread because I'm asking questions and saying I don't understand where people are coming from.

That's horse****.

What you ARE doing is responding to my posts to you with quips like this instead of quoting the parts where I ask you questions and answer them. You've basically just glazed your eyes over or launched an insult.

Is this how you normally play as town? Have I done something to offend you? Do you have a scum read on me? What's going on?

I care. As an example: in the event the thread goes rogue and we CFD onto a villager who wasn't in my acceptable lynch list for the day, I'll be pissed and assume wolves were involved with that.

But when I have a ~strong read on someone and several people I think are villagers have a strong read in the opposite direction, I am willing to step aside and let them lead the charge in the event I'm wrong. I really dislike accidentally preventing scum lynches. I've done this a few times recently on other boards and am purposely cutting that habit back. This goes double for D1.

I cannot fathom how what you're doing is useful to you and you have repeatedly failed to explain it to me, so I've decided to just be friendly but mostly ignore you because I don't see you being an effective villager in this game. That's not meant to be insulting, I just don't think the way you've chosen to play this game is helpful, and the discussion you generate feels like a distraction.

Well this approach really is more of the same. I think for most guys I have called wolfy, I have given some type of reason or quoted one of their posts. I'm not going to go through and quote them all again. It was earlier today. Maybe in 3 days I will. But now it's just redundant. So please do go read through all my posts. Also, something just can't be explained.

That being said, my list right now looks like:

VILLAGERS
Murska
DWetzel
marvellosity
Crunkus


LIKELY VILLAGERS
Luckbox Inc
The Moocher
Phelanpt
corycurren

NOT SURE
Thingyman
AngryPidgeon
arcbell
Athexx
jcohen
lenC
tappokone
weareking
well named
dbmurph22
merk_sa

WOLFY
TommyDanger
saberwolf13
yamato77
Top Tier Tom

I have quoted posts and given reasons for each of those 4 guys. I'm happy voting any of them today but recently Tommy has been wolfing it up by throwing suspiscion on me softly while being wishy washy on some other stuff and also choosing villager picks which are obvious as hell.

I thought merk was a wolf before but now I'm not sure. His interaction with me seems pretty villa but it's hard to say I guess since I was involved.

I thinky tommy/saber/yamato are all excellent votes today. Phelanpt votes seem like they have been pulled out of thin air.

TommyDanger

If that doesn't help you then I'm sorry, I am not what you are looking for.

Just let the walls of text wash over you like a warm caribbean wave. That's what I'm doing. Feels nice.

I'm surprised to see I'm still on your wolf list, traz. Why am I? I thought we came to some sort of mutual disinterest in pushing each other.

my vote on phelanpt is extremely clearly explained, traz, so **** off with your "pulled out of thin air" nonsense.

I sincerely have to struggle and strain to get through an entire Crunk post. It's like anathema to my brain.

The logical issue isn't a problem because something can be good reasoned but incorrect?

The issue tap cites is that you have two apparently contradictory reasons to take issue with someone. This speaks directly to the sincerity with which you hold those views. How is that not a problem and a "fake" sounding concern to you?

It's pretty straight forward to see why someone might ask a question about that. If there's no contradiction from your perspective ask why. Not much of a fan of offering fluff like "It's about tone and intent behind words" (This does nothing to address anything) and fire back.

Isn't this the sort of thing people should be asking questions about?

My good reads are currently J-Co, merk, other m name fellow that sounds like merk, murph, crunkus, TTT.

I'm reading most of the BGG cree as good and Phel is only neutral. I don't have the sample size to jump on that yet. Interested in his response to pressure.

I haven't changed my top two evil reads. Marvel is up to neutral. DW as well.

What do you make of Athexx calling Phel a lock wolf? You guys play together often, right?

I wouldn't be su

rprised

+1

traz will do that and it's pointless to find him mafia or not for it.

The question is whether you agree with what he says, not getting annoyed with what he doesn't say.

Am on the fence.

traz

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Votes	Lynch	Voters
3	traz	TommyDanger (34), merk_sa (57), Top Tier Tom (138)
3	Phelanpt	Athexx (20), marvellosity (54), dbmurph22 (56)
2	lenC	well named (14), The Moocher (48)
2	Athexx	Thingyman (43), Murska (31)
2	TommyDanger	saberwolf13 (15), traz (49)
1	The Moocher	Phelanpt (25)
1	merk_sa	tappokone (23)
1	well named	Luckbox Inc (25)
1	Luckbox Inc	DWetzel (33)
8	not voting	AngryPidgeon (0), Arcbell (0), corycurren (22), Crunkus (23), jcohen (23), lenC (3), weareking (0), yamato77 (9)

crunkus

do you have reads on people? are there people you think are wolfy, or at least people you have high confidence in being villagers?

because of everything you've said about the importance of answering peoples questions if you're a villager, i expect you to answer this question

what can you tell me about your boy yamato in this game so far and in general?

also what do you think of his read of you where he says you're 'uncomfortable' but that you can clear yourself when you're villa?

Dammit.

Trying to say I wouldn't be surprised or upset if the Phel wagon doesn't take full shape today because some of it is powered by special knowledge.

I think its right and hopefully I can give it some universality later on. But voting there for now. I at least want to get more material.

If it helps, I'm pretty happy with my vote and I have no history with him :d

Do you personally learn something reliable from every question you personally ask? Do you always make this explicit after asking questions?

I'm sorry...if you want to know...ask. But there's no problem I see with asking questions that don't result in a insta-read. I don't understand how you can sincerely be shoveling this. Do you REALLY believe what seems to underlie this statement?

If we're going to interact? Just answer the ****ing questions. This is mafia. That's what we do. Many of them won't go anywhere. Is this news?

I'm gonna move marv up to lock clear. I don't see him being scum in this game. Too many mindmelds.

word

I've already said everything I have to say about his play so far.

tldr is I don't much like his read on me, but his first couple of posts feel kinda townie.

yamato is usually obviously town when he tries, because he struggles to be natural and coherent as mafia. He doesn't always try as town, although I would expect his pride to make him try in this game.

he's right in that i'm usually fairly obviously town, but then again i kinda think i am already, so... meh

ask me again in X hours. Basically if he doesn't get productive we should lynch him, in this company I'd probably say the difference between his town and mafia game is one of the most pronounced differences.