This guy is terran by the way.

It is possible that he made an optimal play by claiming due to what the proposed "alliance" (I still don't like calling it an alliance) was doing that would otherwise be suboptimal if the proposed alliance hadn't existed.

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isn't outing your own team mates typically a bad strategy?

sup

that means you must not be terran, or you wouldn't bother outing me

This guy is zerg by the way.

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how fitting

Everyone needs to calm down.

Some level 2 players aren't realizing that some level 1 players are actually on level 3.

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******* EVENT *********

The members of the UTR-CFD alliance:

aaron's son
ace of spades
aceshigh
dannyocean
drontier
ewalsh420
forsythio
ilikebeer
keanureaver
kwami42
luckay
mindcrush
pointertovoid
spaceman bryce
systolic
thingyman
wahoopride
zhaorx

will be voting for the person with the most posts who is not a leader of their respective dual-race alliance (dmk, cphoya, kukra)

Right now that person is derwipok.

one of my favorite simpsons quotes "you can use facts to prove anything thats even remotely true".

of course anything's possible. but you don't know anything about dmk's power role, if so, you haven't shared. without any additional information you are just trying to derail a perfectly good wagon for no reason.

derwipok

Brutal logic fail.

1) In any possible world, events would have happened.

2) In this possible world, event A (DMK claimed) happened.

3) If the Alliance had never formed, events would have happened.

4) If the Alliance had never formed, event A (DMK claimed) could have happened.

5) The Alliance cannot say it caused event A.

6) End.

Or think of it this way. You move to a city. You make great friends but hate the city. You decide to leave and say you regret the decision. Your friends say "but what about us, didn't we make it worth it?" You say "actually, I would've made friends anywhere I moved so I can't use my great friendships to justify my bad decision."

You lose friends when you say this, but it's true. You're making the same argument the friends are making in this example.

you do realize there's a 2/3 chance you're not on my team and therefore I shouldn't just go spewing out everything that pops into my head, right

Not once they prove they aren't willing to "get it" and not once the thread has decided to demonstrate that outed terrans are like outed seers who cannot be lynched. Why do you think I claimed already?

You think that DMK claiming was in no way related to the formation of the alliance?

I don't wanna out my race so I will probably just rand my vote

ok cphoya I have no idea what team you're on. But I like you. And I humbly ask you to consider post 883.

i should change "for no reason" "with no alternative". If you've discovered a zerg power role in the bunch that you would rather lynch, by all means i am listening.

I must have somehow missed that part of the thread

Guess everyone should just claim terran

gogogo

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No, but I know that concluding that BUT FOR THE ALLIANCE DMK NEVER CLAIMS is the kind of **** my horrible LSAT students used to try to do.

In my mind the alliance caused dmk to claim and that is all that matters to me, not what would have happened in a hypothetical world where no alliance would have been formed

Ok lets assume that at the start of d1 win % for each team is equal. Now lets assume that with the implementation of kukra's idea zerg's win % goes down.

It doesn't matter how that win % is actually shared between the other two teams or even if one other teams win % also goes down, until we know more about game mechanics it is still +EV for terran/protoss to implement the idea and make zergs wolves. In hindsight it might turn out that it was better for one or the other but with the knowledge we have now it is +EV.

There is no possible logical argument about the 2nd paragraph there, so if you think that the pigeon-holing of zergs was bad from a terran/protoss (and therefore majority of the players) point of view then you must think that it doesn't cause the zerg's win % to go down. If you think that then please explain why because I don't see how two race teaming up against the other can fail to cause it the third team's win % to go down.

I am extending an invite to the UTR-CFD alliance to you. Do you accept?

Some level 3 players are aware that others are on level -46143713473