if you're a villager, you are a forgivable mislynch

k, like I said

big emotional appeal here and I think that's wolfy. My reads can cahnge though, so relax

gnight

his tone is also like his wolf tone, that is to say, kind of robotic and dead

he hasn't done what he does a lot as a villager, which is digging through and discovering things and getting excited about ideas

so that's my tone read: that he sounds wolfy

then there's his insistence on defending outed wolf binkles, pushing luckay, etc

it's like what I said to variance: even if he's a villager somehow, he's been on the wrong side of too many things to be allowed to live

xxsooted is in the same boat; he also deserves to die

people keep giving him villager points for tone, but tone is the one thing he's good at as a wolf

like he said, he doesn't like to bus as a wolf and this game fits that like a glove since he's consistently wanted to lynch villagers and defend wolves

he was sounding better today and I was optimistic for a bit, but then he goes right back to suggesting absurd wolf teams and defending the people who are lock and near lock wolves

roo is different

as of last night, I leaned villager on him, but he's done some weird things throughout the game

then jenn dying seems to implicate him - I don't care if she also called me a tone read, she never once treated me like a peek

and then sure enough, first thing in the morning, roo comes right into the thread, bussing binkles

there are 3 wolves left and we have 3 lynches so we can lynch all 4 of them and that should win

it's possible there's a hidden wolf, but there aren't many places left to hide

they need 4 mislynches to win

Why is it fine? Pushing people is fine, even sometimes on thin reads if only to get a reaction. Ignoring data available to you and looking at everything through tinted goggles is definitely not fine, because it hinders your ability to reason. And if I die because of this, the village could be in trouble.

Saying "I'm not reading your posts" in a game where the only way of participating is by reading other peoples posts and having people read yours is smug and rude. And I consider changing 95% and 100% reads on a dime foolish.

You must think I'm an idiot. Of course I remember that game. I have a really good memory for WW, and I wouldn't fake tilt like it's some sort of brilliant scheme when I expect at least you, Sun, and Jim are keenly aware that I've done at once. You don't need to clear me for being frustrated, but don't pretend I was born yesterday.

Again, you must think I'm an idiot. If I actually thought VM was lolcatting, why would I vote for 27a? Why would ANYONE vote for 27a?

None of this is embellished btw. You'll know when the game's over. Also ask anyone in MLPI where I was a villager if I got genuinely frustrated at certain points during the game.

Not reading any more posts tonight so I'm not tempted to respond since this isn't productive. Please talk to me about Roo or anything that I discussed in my reread. Goodnight all.

my best guess for the wolf team right now is xxs/roo/binkles

before the nk, it was xxs/sanga/binkles

I kind of wish I had felt less certain last night after rereading because I might have made a mistake

There was a game Jim and Sanga were both in, I believe it was My Little Pony 1, where Jim was convinced Sanga was ww. Sanga responded in the same way, being slightly upset and wanting to talk about it after the game.

The game is over now. I wolved with him in MLP3 (he was discord). In wolf chat he talked about how he had thought he wanted to be a wolf for a while cause he thought he could have a good wolf game. Then he kept saying he was just too WW burnt out and couldnt really do anything and asked if he could just lolcat like day 2. His posts consisted of "pop in, make two posts complaining about the thread, leave". When he got questioned about why he wasnt doing much he got really snappy and said things like "well anarchist isnt doing anything either". Then he lolcatted when he wasnt peeked along with another wolf that wasnt peeked when we roleblocked the seer and so he only had one peek.

Essentially, his posting showed absolutely no enthusiasm, no attempt to solve the game, no long periods where he joked around and interacted a lot. He was burnt out, had nothing in the tank, and just got got.


To start this game he was enthusiastic joking back and forth with shanks for a period of time, which was a vast difference to what I witnessed in MLP3 so I called him a villager pretty quickly. Then day 2 started and he went through posts, making reads, asking relevant questions, and trying to solve the game. Again a vast difference and so I upped my read to 95%.

Success! Sorta. I managed to strip the audio from the video and upload it. So this has no video, but I wasn't using visuals much anyway.

It's 50 minutes long so I put it up on Rapidshare.

Infinity villager points if you manage to get through the whole thing

https://rapidshare.com/files/3683079563/sanga_vid.mp3

Disclaimer: apologies if linking to a download link like this isn't allowed or something

Anyway I have a volleyball game tonight so I'll be out for a while. When I get back I'll put together some thoughts and stuff.

Read these posts from MLP3 game where Donk (discord) is a wolf. Then compare to posts this game. Notice his tone in MLP3 is standoffish, the content is nonexistent, he's overly defesive when called out, etc.



This was from early in the thread (page 1). Note the entirety of the tone is polar opposite from the MLP3 game. Here he is joking around, freeflowing, having fun, enjoying himself, etc.


Notice here he is making logical progressions while trying to figure out a role of someone. This happened zero times in MLP3





Conclusion:
Donk be villagering yo

jim, I was about to ask why the hell you're doing all that work to clear donk when he's not a wagon or even being talked about and then I remembered that someone asked

donk is in the disturbingly large category of players who are slightly villagery but are hardly participating

I guess I shouldn't complain since it was an invitational game so people might not have signed up if not asked, but it's kind of annoying that a few people are doing all the work and a bunch of people are doing nothing

where the hell is shanks?

where is CPHoya? I know he died in the other game

I'm going to be pissed of we lose because of this

I was really confident in it after my first break from the thread and return when I started asking everyone about it. I expected to be showered in praise of "good catch bro!" etc. Wanted to be a hero. As time went by I kept saying it and saying it and none of my more clear villager were commenting on it. Xnerd said she had a wolf read on him, but it wasnt about that. Roo said he had a wolf read on him but 1.) it wasnt necessarily about that and 2.) Roo wasn't super high on my villa list. I started to question myself about it. Probs why it got mentioned over and over. Was looking for reassurance.

As for the comparison to Keanu:

Aksdal, Sun Tzu, Alrighty Roo, Captain Binkles, and Sangaman with a truly exceptional amount of effort.

I salute you all.

Honestly, it's a coincidence that someone asked prompted me to do it. I had been saying "I cant really talk about it" for a few days because it was an ongoing game, ended tonight, and I was going to do it regardless.

The lack of Hoya is disturbing.
The lack of Luckay is disturbing.
The lack of Shanks is disturbing.
The lack of Donk is disturbing.
The lack of Gad when he was in was disturbing.

I dont mean these in "absence is wolfy br0" senses. Rather a "we need more help" sense.

I know you mentioned you believe theres little place to hide and they need four mislynches, but I'm not comfortable with this game. So many people have vastly different reads at the moment. And these are people I think are villagers. We've learned nothing really from 2 nk's except for "n1 kill was weird and kinda SHC's magic". N2 told us nothing. The theory of it being VMF and Roo peeks doesn't make sense to me. They dont go at each other if they think theyve both been peeked. Trying to clear one is pointless. They'd tag team a 3rd wolf br0 if that was the case imo. It just doesnt make sense. I dont feel like we're in a good shape at all.

Ive done more work this game than my last 3 village games combined thank you

You know, Binkles, I want to listen to that thing but its so late here. Hopefully I'll get time tomorrow.

I'd like for you to tell me how likely you think your proposed quasi-case of me bussing Variance is. I ask because you used some strange language in it that makes it seem like you're hoping to get a bite and the go ahead to proceed, but aren't sure just how clear others think I am so you have no clue if it'll fly (which of course in that case you would certainly not want to be pressuring me today).

This is accurate, but I also know what Aksdal is referring to. It was Major League I believe, where Sanga and Sun got into it in the thread to an embellished (on Sanga's side) degree.

Fwiw I feel like that MLPI game has helped me perhaps more than any game because it's when I learned to stop tinfoiling so damn much. If someones trying to solve the game they are probs villa.




27: What do you make of this Aksdal/Sanga interaction.

That throws a wrench into that theory I guess. Hmmm.

Like I said a minute ago, I am having difficulty coming up with a reason that if Roo/Variance thought they were peeked by Crossnerd, why they would attack each other. There's no positive end game there. They can't fakespew each other.

Maybe I'm misremembering the timeline.

Okay. And neither my presence (nor my villageryness) has been lacking.

This is a very villagery comment and approach to the situation from 27. For those who didn't get the opportunity to peek him.

I suppose it just feels that way luckay. Maybe since what would span many many posts is in a singular video (an awesome video) it just appears off.

THISTHISTHISTHISTHIS. I can't post for about 3 hours but THIS A THOUSAND TIMES THIS.

Reads list with arbitrary %'s chosen to show gap in my confidence of reads


Clear Villas Cause I'm the Seer Even Though I "Blew My Cover":
LuckayLuck
27allin
XXsooted

95% villa imo:
Aksdal
Donk
Sun Tzu


85% villa:
AlrightyRoo
Sangaman


Various Levels of Skepticism:
Captain Binkles
CPHoya
MagicGazz
Shanks

Note: Aside from peeks which are in n0-n2 order, everything is in alphabetical order.

No matter how hard the wind blows, the mountain cannot bow to it.