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05-12-2015 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by baudib1
btw i think i'm starting to feel a lot better, based on the past couple of days.
Good to hear!
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05-12-2015 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by biggerboat
Apparently the event was way smaller than anticipated and i over-hyped it. He ended up 3rd for 31k :-\
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05-12-2015 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by IAmRobik
Apparently the event was way smaller than anticipated and i over-hyped it. He ended up 3rd for 31k :-\
$620 coming your way!
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05-12-2015 , 08:39 PM
I'm FRIPping all my DGs
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05-12-2015 , 08:52 PM
Started reading the mathematics of poker. dayum.
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05-12-2015 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by fnord_too
I know AAKK ds > AATJds both HU and against a random hand, so I think your intuition of QQTT being better is probably correct.

Not sure QQJT plays better though.

I think in general TTJQ is better for crushing flops (non sequitur there). And in general you prefer your pair on the lower end of hands like that so when you hit a set and a wrap, you have the high wrap.
your point about wrapping above the board is obviously good but QQJT can wrap above the same boards as QJTT (?) the value in having a set of QQ over a set of TT is also very pretty huge.

I mean in practice, PLO games play exceptionally deep unless you are talking about 100 BB zoom games where you rathole after doubling up? And when you're deep, hot-cold equities aren't terribly important....nut-ability is obviously big but playability/floppability are also huge factors.

For instance, KK72ss is a favorite over a 20% range but in practice there are very few good flops. It's nice that it has good nut potential and when we hit the flop we hit it really hard but it's like saying 77 is an equity favorite over a tightish range in hold'em. KQs is technically a weaker hand but certainly plays better on more flops.

Obviously AAKKds is an amazing hand but when you don't flop a set, straight or NFD we're folding the best hand a lot or trying to play a really small pot when the board comes 2 medium cards. AAJTds is going to flop good equity a greater % of the time as well as hit boards with backdoors/top 2 pairs etc. often enough and compete on facecard boards enough that it's probably a better hand in practice when you start looking at 500 BB pots.
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05-12-2015 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by fnord_too
Hey Baud,

Do you want to quit smoking? (curiosity question, I don't have a method in mind).

What do you think about vaping? Jury is still out on if it is less unhealthy, but it sure as hell seems like it is intuitively.
it's funny cuz Andrew Hanna recently tweeted about this, that he knows he looks like a tool vaping but it's a slightly healthier alternative, so ...

i'm not yet serious about smoking. i have so many life issues going on right now there's only so many i can deal with atm. hopefully looking at taking this seriously after summer.
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05-13-2015 , 12:07 AM
I punted 1300 or so in omahaha set over set. That's why you don't play ah7h33
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05-13-2015 , 12:25 AM
Straddle to ten guy makes it thirty four callers. Checks to the fish who bets 150 on 349 rainbow. Preflop raise checked flop. I made it 450 because fish only had like 600 total. Preflop raiser calls fish folds turn king. I don't feel great but shove my remaining 900 or whatever
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05-13-2015 , 01:00 AM
ya, low pairs in hands are generally not so great for this exact reason
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05-13-2015 , 01:07 AM
It's kinda like having A2o in NLHE in a raised pot. you'll win sometimes when you flop an ace and everyone c/f.

i'm still stunned at how often 44xx will be the best hand on QT4tt and lose anyway.
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05-13-2015 , 01:13 AM
Yeah I kind of knew and know it's bad. But I had a but flush draw too! Not on this flop.

Fold pre!
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05-13-2015 , 01:36 AM
A lot of my live mistakes come from hands I shouldn't be playing

Which seems to be a bit common in this thread

But it's hard to just sit there all day folding constantly
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05-13-2015 , 01:37 AM
Also I think I just generally play way worse live
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05-13-2015 , 01:45 AM
5 10/10 games running and i didn't play cause I was too lazy to go home and get my roll. FML FML FML FML FML
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05-13-2015 , 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ibavly
volatility being a bad thing is a fundamental concept in economics (and is fairly intuitive)

Bitchi is claiming that CAPM is wrong which is probably somewhat true, but either way I agree that dividend stocks are an important part of a portfolio
Iirc, volatility being bad is a corollary of the law of diminishing marginal utility, Aaron Brown wrote something about situations where it isn't necessarily true, I think in The Poker Face Of Wall Street.

Capm is definitely wrong. Thinking it might not be wrong is a "map is not the territory" style error. The data I have suggests that buying yield doesn't beat the market by much, whereas low price to book, and weirdly low price to sales stocks crushed it over the long term post 1945 20th century. The basic rules are you can't pick the future but you can pick the present, so buy unpopular stocks, spread your purchasing over time (so you don't accidentally buy at a peak) and buy and hold as far as possible.
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05-13-2015 , 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by fnord_too
There is another reason volatility is undesirable; let me illustrate.

Say you have two securities that average a 10% (simple) return per year for 5 years, and you compound every year. One is a flat 10%, no variance. The other gives you:
20%
-10%
15%
25%
0%

You invest $1,000 in each, at the end of 5 years the no variance one is worth $1,000 * 1.1^5 = 1610.51
the other is worth:
$1000 * 1.2 * 0.9 * 1.15 * 1.25 * 1 = 1552.5

Both have an average* return of 10% per year.

*The geometric mean of the second is only ~9.2%.

So if you have an investment that has an expected ROI of 10%, the smaller the variance the higher is compounded rate of return will be over time.
That's slight of hand aka bad maths
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05-13-2015 , 03:33 AM
that takes me back...
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05-13-2015 , 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by biggerboat
Started reading the mathematics of poker. dayum.
that book will do less for you playing 1/2 live than reading Anna Karinna
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05-13-2015 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall

But it's hard to just sit there all day folding constantly
This is the most challenging thing for me.
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05-13-2015 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
That's slight of hand aka bad maths
I don't think it is.

If you have two investments that have a projected return of 10% and one has a higher variance, it is worth less than the one with lower variance for a few reasons, but one is compounding. This is due to the nature of math. If you have two numbers A and B that sum to X, and multiply those numbers together, the product will be higher the closer A and B are, and is highest if A = B = X/2.

I guess if you are saying that the securities have an APR, the variance is already figured in and that APR is a geometric mean, you can argue that. I am talking about a situation where you have say
Investment A will give you an expected return of 10% with a standard deviation of 30%
Investment B will give you an expected return of 10% with a standard deviation of 5%

Investment B is worth more *assuming of course you are going to reinvest the capital.

If this is wrong please explain it to me.
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05-13-2015 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
that book will do less for you playing 1/2 live than reading Anna Karinna
I'm glad someone said this.

I hear so many math terms tossed around, a lot in this thread, that I think I need to learn more about it. I mean, I get ev, spr, implied odds, and basic things like that. But you guys sometimes get into concepts that I can't figure out how to apply in a typical hand. So, I thought I'd try to learn.
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05-13-2015 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by biggerboat
I'm glad someone said this.

I hear so many math terms tossed around, a lot in this thread, that I think I need to learn more about it. I mean, I get ev, spr, implied odds, and basic things like that. But you guys sometimes get into concepts that I can't figure out how to apply in a typical hand. So, I thought I'd try to learn.
I would read Applications of No Limit Holdem instead of MoP. It is focused on Holdem instead of the theoretical underpinnings. It puts everything together nicely and gives you a framework for your away from the table work.
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05-13-2015 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
that book will do less for you playing 1/2 live than reading Anna Karinna
Anna Karenina
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05-13-2015 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DiggertheDog
Anna Karenina
nit
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