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04-20-2015 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by IAmRobik
I like limping in live play. It allows me to play a wider range of hands (live poker is boring playing 10/7), and I feel like I have an edge in post-flop play that I can exploit via hand reading and such. When I play LAGgy, I end up getting 0 respect, but I never make hands, so it's a lose-lose situation.
what does 10/7 mean?

and are you playing poker for fun or to make money?
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04-20-2015 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
what should i do if i'm playing 5/10/20 4 handed and i get AQs with effective stacks at 4k? i'm in the straddle. button raises to 60. i 3bet to 200. he 4bets to 700, and i know sometimes he does with random trash. what do i do?
Anything you want. Prolly call>fold>raise.

Does he ever 6bet shove as a bluff if you make it 1500? Does he fold 9s-Js? AQ/AK?
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04-20-2015 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
what does 10/7 mean?

and are you playing poker for fun or to make money?
like a nit. I don't remember exactly what 10vpip/7pfr stoves out to

I play for fun, but I like to make money. It's not my primary source of income, but I do play 3-4 times a week.
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04-20-2015 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
what does 10/7 mean?

and are you playing poker for fun or to make money?
10 vpip/ 7 pfr
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04-20-2015 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by IAmRobik
Can I come play with you sometime? Your games sound fun

that was one of the craziest games i played in. i was going totally nuts. it was almost appropriate for the table. but i was over doing it. there were three huge fish in the game and i was catching good/decent hands and trying to isolate them, and so was everyone else. lol! tons and tons of raising

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This is why I'm sort of tight. I watch a lot, well most, lags go broke. Mostly because they don't know when to stop. Old guys start calling them down with middle pair and winning. There are a few I've seen do well but usually it's because they've hit hands more than usual. I've seen some good lags but not very many. I'm guessing because they play higher stakes if they are really good.
if someone is a good lag he'll probably be playing the highest stakes that are available.
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04-20-2015 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by IAmRobik
Anything you want. Prolly call>fold>raise.

Does he ever 6bet shove as a bluff if you make it 1500? Does he fold 9s-Js? AQ/AK?
i really doubt he'll 6bet bluff. if i 5bet i think he'll fold all trash. but i don't know what he'd do with J9s or AA. i'm not that experienced, especially in 4bet and 5bet situations.

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10 vpip/ 7 pfr
i still don't know what that means. does 10vpip mean you voluntarily put money in the pot 10% of the time? and 7pfr mean raise 7%?
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04-20-2015 , 09:33 PM
Playing a good lag game seems so impossible for me to define. I know it when I see it but I'll be damned if I can figure out how to do it.
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04-20-2015 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
what should i do if i'm playing 5/10/20 4 handed and i get AQs with effective stacks at 4k? i'm in the straddle. button raises to 60. i 3bet to 200. he 4bets to 700, and i know sometimes he does with random trash. what do i do?
How often does he actually do it as a bluff and what is his range for stacking off? Answer those questions and from there it is a math problem.

If he is responding to your threebets by fourbetting a lot and folding a lot but not calling a lot, then you should be threebetting a more polarized range. If he does call a lot then I'd still threebet this hand and fold to these gigantic oversized fourbets unless and until I'm sure that he's getting out of line with them.
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04-20-2015 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin


i still don't know what that means. does 10vpip mean you voluntarily put money in the pot 10% of the time? and 7pfr mean raise 7%?
yes

pfr = preflop raise %
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04-20-2015 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
How often does he actually do it as a bluff and what is his range for stacking off? Answer those questions and from there it is a math problem.

If he is responding to your threebets by fourbetting a lot and folding a lot but not calling a lot, then you should be threebetting a more polarized range. If he does call a lot then I'd still threebet this hand and fold to these gigantic oversized fourbets unless and until I'm sure that he's getting out of line with them.
remember we are just 4 handed. AQs is a big hand.

the problem is i don't know how often is doing this as a bluff. i just know i've seen him do it twice(over a few months). i'd guess he 4bet bluffs me in this spot anywhere from 5% to 30%. i really don't know. i know that other people in the game 4bet bluff about 0% to 1%.

i ended up calling. i'm never folding. i just don't know how to 5bet unless i have an ldo get it in hand
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04-20-2015 , 09:52 PM
what is your plan after calling?
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04-20-2015 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
what should i do if i'm playing 5/10/20 4 handed and i get AQs with effective stacks at 4k? i'm in the straddle. button raises to 60. i 3bet to 200. he 4bets to 700, and i know sometimes he does with random trash. what do i do?
I probably call here.
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04-20-2015 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
what is your plan after calling?
i don't know

get it in if i hit a pair or flush draw ldo, but if i miss then i'm lost
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04-20-2015 , 09:59 PM
flop was J73r with no club(i had clubs) iirc.

i checked
he bet 900(into 1400 pot)
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04-20-2015 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
i don't know

get it in if i hit a pair or flush draw ldo, but if i miss then i'm lost
you're going to miss the majority of flops and you're probably going to lose most of the time that all of the money goes in, I'd think
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04-20-2015 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
you're going to miss the majority of flops and you're probably going to lose most of the time that all of the money goes in, I'd think
900 in the pot. it cost me 500 to call. it's almost certain more money will be going in. i have to be crushed to fold. hmmm..... i might be crushed often enough though..... no way. not 4 handed. folding has to be bad
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04-20-2015 , 10:24 PM
If you're not crushed very often then why are we letting him see the flop and also choose whether he wants to see a turn as well?
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04-20-2015 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
remember we are just 4 handed. AQs is a big hand.

the problem is i don't know how often is doing this as a bluff. i just know i've seen him do it twice(over a few months). i'd guess he 4bet bluffs me in this spot anywhere from 5% to 30%. i really don't know. i know that other people in the game 4bet bluff about 0% to 1%.

i ended up calling. i'm never folding. i just don't know how to 5bet unless i have an ldo get it in hand
If you 5 bet here you probably have to call if he shoves. If you are doing that and he can bluff post flop, I think it's better to call with the intent of shoving over a lot of flop c bets.

Edit - speaking of 5 betting, I don't like AQs as a 5 bet. IF you feel you need some non LDO ship it hands in your 5 bet range, a hand like 78s is better because that IS a hand you can fold to a shove, isn't a hand you can call a 4 bet with, and the times where he flats your 5 bets will occasionally flop a clean strong hand.
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04-20-2015 , 11:03 PM
make it 1300 fold to a shove

or call and play it like you slowplayed AA
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04-20-2015 , 11:11 PM
I don't think we should have both a flatting range and a five-betting range in this spot. And five-betting is effectively a shove here. The only reason to make it smaller than a shove is if you think it will change his perception of your range.
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04-20-2015 , 11:17 PM
i have us slightly less then flipping against his 4 bet range

shove could be best

he may make a bad fold as well which is nice

tho i guess he'll make some good ones as well
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04-21-2015 , 12:46 AM
after analysis, i think shove>>call>>>>fold
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04-21-2015 , 12:51 AM
first of all, make it bigger than 200 the first time around

second of all, lolcalling. and a 5bet IS a ship here. so either shove or fold depending on reads
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04-21-2015 , 01:02 AM
Here was my most interesting hand in my last 1/2 session.

I'm running the table from the #5 seat, my stack is over $1500, dude sits in the #1 seat and immediately starts trying to talk poker with me, which is a leak I have. One hand he pushes on the turn and doubles through me with flopped bottom set (I had KK on like a J836 board) and we talk more poker, I smack him down in a couple other pots, etc.

Then his friend moves from a broken table with about $800 moves into the #2 seat, and just from the talk, it's clear the friend is a better player. But they're also both drinking. About 2 orbits in, the "friend" straddles for $5, I make it $15 with QQ from the #5 seat. Two callers I think, he raises to $50 from the straddle. I make it $220. Folded to him. He thinks for a little while and flats. Flop is KT9r. He pauses for about 5 seconds and says all-in. Me?
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04-21-2015 , 01:10 AM
fold
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