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Originally Posted by clowntable
Re: Nash stuff...it's GTO if we are the attacker since we can use push/shove and villain has no option but to call/fold.
That's incorrect. First of all you have to define GTO.
Do you mean a strategy that your opponent is never going to be +EV against you? Well playing nash from the SB is -ev so he can beat you just by reading the chart.
Do you mean the strategy by which your opponent can cause you the least harm even if he plays the optimal counter-strategy? Again that is not the chart because it is -ev, while I'm positive you can make a strategy that is going to be +ev IP against any counter-strategy.
Look at the definition of nash: "Nash equilibrium is a solution concept of a game involving two or more players, in which each player is assumed to know the equilibrium strategies of the other players, and no player has anything to gain by changing only his own strategy unilaterally"
If he is trying to play the equilibrium from the BB, you can own him by changing your own strat, so it is not an equilibrium.
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So basically it can be used (eventhough it seems some other exploiting strategy is way better from my experience) half the time if you play HU.
Only if you don't mind being a losing player from the sb. Good luck making up that deficit OOP
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The other half villain dictates what you should do. i.e. you need to develop some strategy against the old minraise, limp and so forth.
I played maybe 10 a day now on average and my first observation:
- most people are extremly exploitable with their limping i.e. they just raise the goodish stuff and limp everything else :P
- people are really bad postflop, doesn't matter as much due to stacksizes and the fact that once you have established that read you usually tend to be in 13bb- land but can be usefull if you play the same villain over and over
- psychological factors are easy to predict. .villain limps, hero shoves...villain minraises the next hand -> way more likely to be weak than strong from certain players...if however they limp beware
- you should always ask for rematches if possible "regs" tend to decline if you played your standard game, fish tend to accept (unless busto)
- from the atrocious postflop play i can only conclude that deeper/slower HU sngs have to be juicier than juicy (alas they are also slooooow)
There is also no action at mid-high stakes non hypers.
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I think I'll try playing nash push/shove at around 12-13bb next and eventhough it seems superjuicy to shove over all limps i'll just check a bunch more if >13bb and try some postflop ideas. 13bb seems like a reasonable cutoff because that's roughly what you get if you go from 500->400 and the blinds go up. A pretty common situation
are you saying playing nash against limps? That is a really bad idea