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02-25-2009 , 04:55 AM
I posted a stud hand once in here.

Playing Razz made me understand Stud high, and playing both made me understand limit.

Stud/8 is still a mystery to me though.
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02-25-2009 , 05:39 AM
nice posts Epi
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02-25-2009 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DustinG
Has there ever been a razz, stud, or stud/8 hand ever discussed in this thread? Are there any poggers who ever play these games apart from the occasional horse tourny?
oddly for someone from the UK, i used to play almost exclusively limit, and short handed mixed games were my favourite kind. but in the last couple of years, the weak regs have gotten better and the occasional drop ins have gotten much more rare as everyone plays nl/plo, so there arent many soft spots lately and therefore less reason to play.

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nice posts Epi
thanks - the irony is that the more i write about poker strategy, the more of a downswing im likely to be on, so whenever you see my advice, remember that its tempered with recent financial failure
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02-27-2009 , 04:21 AM
PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, 9
UTG raises, 3 folds, Hero calls

Flop: (4.5 SB) 9, 2, K (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5.25 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls

River: (9.25 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls

Total pot: $45 (11.25 BB) | Rake: $2

Results:
Hero had K, 9 (two pair, Kings and nines).
UTG mucked A, Q (one pair, twos).
Outcome: Hero won $43

AQ no good

My 6max LHE experience is going well. I had decided to make 200 bets at each level before moving up starting at .5/1. But after around 1000 hands of .5/1 I decided that level was ******ed, so I moved up to 1/2 and for the first 1000 hands there I was almost exactly break even, but the next 1k hands went well so now I'm up to 2-4.
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02-27-2009 , 05:15 AM
February was obviously a pretty kick ass month.



**** me.
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02-27-2009 , 10:14 AM
so I titlted last night and decided to play in the $3r on stars to relieve some of it (shoving aipf for 150bbs every hand ftw). Unfortunately I could not win a race or a 70/30. Literally. I used 20 rebuys before the first break. I then bubbled. FML.
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02-27-2009 , 07:57 PM
PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, A
Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls

Flop: (8 SB) 2, 8, 7 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls

Turn: (6 BB) 5 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks

River: (6 BB) 2 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, 2 folds, Hero calls

Total pot: $32 (8 BB) | Rake: $1

Results:
Button had Q, 9 (one pair, twos).
Hero had J, A (one pair, twos).
Outcome: Hero won $31


Should I even be betting the flop here? River call seems easy. I tried to figure out what he could have but couldn't come up with anything. Just glad nobody else called with a worse ace high.

PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, A
Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds

Flop: (5.5 SB) A, 9, K (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls

Turn: (3.75 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls

River: (5.75 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls

Total pot: $31 (7.75 BB) | Rake: $1

Results:
Button had 3, A (two pair, Aces and threes).
Hero had K, A (two pair, Aces and Kings).
Outcome: Hero won $30

Here is a hand I misplayed I think. If I'm going to c/c the river I'm best off bet/folding. I guess I was hoping he would check back a weak heart.

Last edited by DustinG; 02-27-2009 at 08:03 PM.
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02-27-2009 , 08:19 PM
bet the turn in the first hand

edit: lol somehow I totally misread it and thought you'd narrowed the field on the flop
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02-27-2009 , 09:47 PM
I check that flop on hand one. Betting into three other players with a mediocre ace is bad, A7, 8J type hands will call (Assuming they all suck which the PF play indicates). I would usually just check give up on the turn and river.

Bet/fold river is fine on hand 2. I don't mind the c/c though.
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02-28-2009 , 01:42 AM
I figured I would give these new fangled DON's a spin on Pokerstars... I'm a +EV $16 SNG player and a somewhat competent satellite tournament player.

Well... I spun up 5 of them.

Results: 10th, 9th, 8th, 7th, 6th

I suck.
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02-28-2009 , 02:28 AM
Tada, after a 2h match I advance to round two of the SSNL heads up tourney (2-1 win).
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02-28-2009 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark_K
I figured I would give these new fangled DON's a spin on Pokerstars... I'm a +EV $16 SNG player and a somewhat competent satellite tournament player.

Well... I spun up 5 of them.

Results: 10th, 9th, 8th, 7th, 6th

I suck.
Keep playing. Guaranteed to be in the money next time.
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02-28-2009 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
Tada, after a 2h match I advance to round two of the SSNL heads up tourney (2-1 win).
You hvae the HH's?

I'd be interested in looking at them.
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02-28-2009 , 10:24 AM
In limit holdem just cbet 100%. It's at worst a small mistake, and it will rarely be a mistake. You played hand 1 perfectly.

Hand 2 totally depends on the guy, if the guy likes to showdown light bet/f, against some guys you can ch/f. Against unknown at this level I think you're right bet/f > ch/c. This hand is perfect example if he didn't improve he's checking behind but might call a bet.
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02-28-2009 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DustinG
PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, A
Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls

Flop: (8 SB) 2, 8, 7 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls

Turn: (6 BB) 5 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks

River: (6 BB) 2 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, 2 folds, Hero calls

Total pot: $32 (8 BB) | Rake: $1

Results:
Button had Q, 9 (one pair, twos).
Hero had J, A (one pair, twos).
Outcome: Hero won $31


Should I even be betting the flop here? River call seems easy. I tried to figure out what he could have but couldn't come up with anything. Just glad nobody else called with a worse ace high.

PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, A
Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds

Flop: (5.5 SB) A, 9, K (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls

Turn: (3.75 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls

River: (5.75 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls

Total pot: $31 (7.75 BB) | Rake: $1

Results:
Button had 3, A (two pair, Aces and threes).
Hero had K, A (two pair, Aces and Kings).
Outcome: Hero won $30

Here is a hand I misplayed I think. If I'm going to c/c the river I'm best off bet/folding. I guess I was hoping he would check back a weak heart.
Caveat: I don't think my LHE game is that great, but I have been working on it some lately.

second hand:
I think the river is bet call or check call, not bet fold. Check call is probably better, because I would hate calling a raise there (but getting almost 9:1 with top two, I would), and he probably is checking behind a weak heart and bluffing if checked to a lot. If he has a good heart, why doesn't he raise the turn for value? There is just no way I ever want to be folding that river getting almost 7 to one (or 9 to one if you lead out) against an opponent who has shown no strength yet. Bet folding would be better with a hand like QQ or something (I am trying to think of a hand you might have there), where an ace or a king or even a low heart on a good day might fold.

First hand
In the first hand, w/e, your line is fine. I probably fire the flop and turn, but I don't know. Super dry board but 3 villains. Actually, I would be looking at stats on this one. The river call is clear.
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02-28-2009 , 12:59 PM
i literally cant come up with a single even semi persuasive argument for c/c > b/f on the second hand, and im surprised that some others think they can. fnord, i think your assumptions especially are pretty wide of the mark - he never has no showdown value, and at those limits its extremely rare for someone to randomly turn a weak made hand into a bluff. they certainly dont do so as often as they muster a call with worse than AK if you bet.
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02-28-2009 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark_K
I figured I would give these new fangled DON's a spin on Pokerstars... I'm a +EV $16 SNG player and a somewhat competent satellite tournament player.

Well... I spun up 5 of them.

Results: 10th, 9th, 8th, 7th, 6th

I suck.
While you may be just experiencing bad variance it seems like you aren't properly adjusting your style for the difference in payout structure. Really the main goal is to avoid getting it all in vs. another player since thats the only way you can be knocked out. Play very tight, especially in the first level. Its generally not worth it to call all in when you are almost guaranteed a coinflip at best (only exception is when you are the short stack at the table). I think you're just getting too aggro in the early levels and people are waking up with hands.
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02-28-2009 , 01:27 PM
This is how you play the fixed limit hold thems, it's all about a good blind defense strategy imo.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.20 Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 52683
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with 2 7
1 fold, CO raises, BTN calls, 1 fold, Hero calls

Flop: (6.5 SB) 7 4 2 (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, BTN folds

Turn: (4.25 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls

River: (6.25 BB) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls

Final Pot: 8.25 BB
CO mucks 9 9
Hero shows 2 7 (a full house, Sevens full of Deuces)
Hero wins 7.9 BB
(Rake: $0.07)
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02-28-2009 , 02:22 PM
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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Hero (SB): $109.60
BB: $115.75
UTG: $105.20
CO: $102.90
BTN: $104.55

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with K 2 T Q
1 fold, CO calls $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, BB raises to $4, CO calls $3, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($12.00) 4 7 J (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks

Turn: ($12.00) 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $11.40, BB folds, CO raises to $45.60, Hero raises to $105.60 all in


Is this a spew? CO is a very aggressive multitabler and we've tangled a bit already on a different table. In a previous pot he had checked behind on the flop against me with bottom pair and then raised my turn bet 3x when he improved to top and bottom pair, then he took a free showdown and won. Since he raised pot here his range is probably more polarized but I think he's aggressive enough to raise with worse combo draws. fwiw he's usually raising pf so I don't know what his limp-call range is. But I can't imagine him slowplaying anything on the flop so somehow the turn improved his hand.

At the time I think I overestimated my equity. I have about 40% against a random T8** hand. I haven't checked against other hands but I suspect that I've also underestimated how bad it is that I don't have a pair or the nut flush draw. His "weaker" combo draws are likely to have a pair already and likely have at least one of my overcards reverse dominated.

but otoh the pot is so big at this point that it only takes a little bit of FE to make up for times that I get it in a little bit bad. I only need 42-43% equity to make it breakeven to just stack off.
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02-28-2009 , 02:52 PM
i prefer this kind of play if its against a regular you play with day in, day out b/c it doesnt cost much, if anything, and it makes it much harder for him to play trickily agsint you. i also like it a lot when stuck...
in a vacuum, i think its probably slightly to marginally bad. also, with 100bb stacks i think i prefer checkraising the turn to leading - you collect bluff money/protection bets with 2pr that fold, and if he bet/calls a draw that beats yours, you have money behind to bluff the river, and going back to the meta thing, its an inexpensive way of making yourself tough to play against. its also the kind of thing that people see and misapply in future situations that arent similar but might appear so to a mediocre opponent.
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02-28-2009 , 05:47 PM
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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Hero (BB): $119.10
UTG: $242.30
CO: $100.00
BTN: $50.90
SB: $68.15

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 7 Q A 9
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, SB calls $0.50, Hero checks

Flop: ($3.00) 9 6 A (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.85, UTG folds, SB raises to $5.70,


I forgot to post this one earlier. This was the first time he'd done anything donkish that I'd seen. Was totally baffled at what this is supposed to mean.
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02-28-2009 , 06:52 PM
Realized I needed 1200 points today to not burn my one free month of <10K points to maintain SN so of course it is LHE time. Accidental trifecta against, well, I guess someone going broke quick.

Poker Stars $3/$6 Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 52859
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Pre Flop: (1.333 SB) Hero is BB with Q 7
2 folds, BTN raises, 1 fold, Hero calls

Flop: (4.333 SB) 9 6 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero raises, BTN 3-bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5.167 BB) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero raises, BTN 3-bets, Hero calls

River: (11.167 BB) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero raises, BTN calls

Final Pot: 15.167 BB
BTN mucks A Q
Hero shows Q 7 (a flush, Queen high)
Hero wins 14.833 BB
(Rake: $2.00)
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02-28-2009 , 07:43 PM
sick bet-call on the river
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02-28-2009 , 08:11 PM
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sick bet-call on the river
I know right. When I went to see what he had I was flabbergasted. I thought he had a set, 2p, or maybe even a turned straight for sure.
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02-28-2009 , 11:06 PM
Anyone want to trade your $30 on PS for my $30 on tilt?

I want to cashout 30 to pay for a month-long DC membership but full tilt will only let me cashout 100 minimum
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