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02-22-2016 , 02:27 PM

#1251

pwnsall

CFBBPC

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 66,212

planet money did a short podcast the experiment experiment about how lots of studies findings weren't reproduceable and why that might be

02-22-2016 , 02:43 PM

#1252

kokiri

ffermwr moch

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 52,228

planet money was quite interesting when it first began because it took a quite critical (not anti-, but at least questioning) stance wrt economic orthodoxy, but i gave up because it became increasingly bland and accepting

02-22-2016 , 02:43 PM

#1253

kokiri

ffermwr moch

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 52,228

Quote:

Originally Posted by pwnsall

don't see how data driven and based in reality aren't harmonious unless you're just pointing the fact it can be hard to get good data a lot of the time

I'm not saying they aren't, I'm saying that they aren't always - that fetishizing the data can lead to losing touch with the real world, and that data can be total garbage that leads to broken incentives.

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Quote:

Gross National Product counts air pollution and cigarette advertising, and ambulances to clear our highways of carnage.

It counts special locks for our doors and the jails for the people who break them. It counts the destruction of the redwood and the loss of our natural wonder in chaotic sprawl.

It counts napalm and counts nuclear warheads and armored cars for the police to fight the riots in our cities. It counts Whitman's rifle and Speck's knife, and the television programs which glorify violence in order to sell toys to our children.

Yet the gross national product does not allow for the health of our children, the quality of their education or the joy of their play. It does not include the beauty of our poetry or the strength of our marriages, the intelligence of our public debate or the integrity of our public officials.

It measures neither our wit nor our courage, neither our wisdom nor our learning, neither our compassion nor our devotion to our country, it measures everything in short, except that which makes life worthwhile.

And it can tell us everything about America except why we are proud that we are Americans.[/SPOIL]

02-22-2016 , 03:39 PM

#1254

Mark_K

Fast Food Value KING

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,340

Damn you Amazon!!! May Walmart, Newegg, Jet, Google direct and Ebay crush your bones.

lol@$49 minimum for super-saver shipping

02-22-2016 , 04:26 PM

#1255

filthyvermin

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 61,394

im watching this Norwegian tv show "occupied". it's pretty good. but its interesting watching the police on the show. they are sooooooooooooooooooo different than american police. the american police would have quite literally killed and beaten the "bad guys" so many times when the norwegian police simply let them go

02-22-2016 , 04:32 PM

#1256

kokiri

ffermwr moch

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 52,228

You should check out Inspector Montalbano. He's italian, and practices detection through flirting with the most attractive woman involved in the case.

02-22-2016 , 05:36 PM

#1257

DiggertheDog

Pan Troglodytes

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 57,791

I have watched a Montalbano or two - I think it was a mini-series version.

02-22-2016 , 06:32 PM

#1258

kioshk

Nixonian

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 93,117

Deadpool is the Citizen Kane of comic book movies. Run don't walk to your local theater to see this fine film.

****ing Amazon, I guess I might rejoin Prime now.

02-22-2016 , 06:42 PM

#1259

Sun Tzu

laconic

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 84,770

Quote:

Originally Posted by kokiri

It's essentially pointless, or put another way the objectives are whatever you make them, and some things take a long time - one view is that there's a lot of work involved in many modern games; the opposing view is that that is the view of passive TV watchers, and work makes good.

the thing about "work" in games is it's not like work at all

you do things and get rewarded in some way and it taps into the brain's reward centers

games are designed to maximize interest and motivation

it's kind of interesting to see the lengths people will go to in games like Minecraft or an MMO

02-22-2016 , 06:44 PM

#1260

pwnsall

CFBBPC

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 66,212

yeah GDP kinda sucks about some things obv

02-22-2016 , 06:45 PM

#1261

pwnsall

CFBBPC

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 66,212

i do hate pushing the phrase "learning for educations sake" and crap like that, double talk right there

Last edited by pwnsall; 02-22-2016 at 06:46 PM. Reason: speak, talk, whatever

02-22-2016 , 06:53 PM

#1262

Sun Tzu

laconic

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 84,770

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloobird

Seems like there should be room for a book showing the bad side of the drive to quantify and use data for everything. Kinda like a broader Bad Science, or a more up to date How to Lie With Statistics.

Michael Pollan's book "The Omnivore's Dilemma" is a takedown of what he calls "nutritionism" in exactly those lines.

people have written about the problems caused by the social sciences' "physics envy"

one of the problems is the obsession with measuring things even when what's measured doesn't really mean much

I remember when there was a thing about an "equation for happiness"; that's the same kind of misguided nonsense

02-22-2016 , 06:58 PM

#1263

Sun Tzu

laconic

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 84,770

Quote:

Originally Posted by pwnsall

planet money did a short podcast the experiment experiment about how lots of studies findings weren't reproduceable and why that might be

I read something about that

part of the problem is people are discouraged from repeating previous studies even though the scientific method basically requires it

another issue is the low confidence factor; 5% chance of being a statistical outlier is pretty high and considered acceptable

then there's the problem of who is funding the research and what their agenda is

02-22-2016 , 07:08 PM

#1264

Anarchist

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 75,871

restaurant i just went to had tip suggestions at the bottom of

18%
20%
25%

i can sense change coming!

02-22-2016 , 07:14 PM

#1265

Anarchist

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 75,871

also this dude might be the douchiest person alive and if i ever saw him in real life i would need to punch him in the face

02-22-2016 , 07:14 PM

#1266

kokiri

ffermwr moch

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 52,228

Quote:

Originally Posted by pwnsall

i do hate pushing the phrase "learning for educations sake" and crap like that, double talk right there

Consumption for consumption's sake, sport for sport's sake, life is meaningless why is education any different?

I sort of agree, though. Education is a giant sorting hat, with major positive externalities.

02-22-2016 , 07:15 PM

#1267

kokiri

ffermwr moch

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 52,228

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anarchist

also this dude might be the douchiest person alive and if i ever saw him in real life i would need to punch him in the face

You know piers Morgan is in the world, right?

02-22-2016 , 07:16 PM

#1268

kokiri

ffermwr moch

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 52,228

http://www.sporcle.com/games/salifou/stayinalive

Are they alive? 20/22, and 17/21 on the sequel. Don't enter until you're in the sheep on the same theme.

(Hint,do the sporcle backwards.

02-22-2016 , 07:17 PM

#1269

Anarchist

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 75,871

yeah this dude is like a right wing piers morgan but he also wears sweater vests and leans back in his chair and asks ******ed questions

02-22-2016 , 07:18 PM

#1270

kokiri

ffermwr moch

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 52,228

Other bull**** stats: life expectancy, anything that can be used as an incentive,

02-22-2016 , 07:20 PM

#1271

kioshk

Nixonian

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 93,117

He used to host the late night LC show, now they put him on the politics roundtable show. He's a smug ****ing moron, and he really hates Donald Trump something fierce, like everybody on Fox News.

02-22-2016 , 07:29 PM

#1272

pwnsall

CFBBPC

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 66,212

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

the pointed out two other things i believe

sometimes trials that actually show contradictory evidence aren't published because those aren't interesting (i assume these are before the one that did find something is published)

and then making the trials longer (and possibly shorter tho not brough up) until you find statistical significance