This is probably just me (and is not a shot at you), but I don't want to talk politics with anyone who didn't vote.

An exception would be if they were opposed to the entire current system, and they make it clear that the system is flawed and they don't support any candidates. I'll hear those folks out.

But for more typical people who do not have a problem voicing their left or right viewpoints, I am just not interested in chatting if you did not vote..

i'm assuming you're just talking about people who simply didnt feel like voting out of laziness, and not the many many many people who it is a true hardship to vote(like birdman said in the post you quoted), or people who have actually been disenfranchised.

All this is correct. Canada was probably worse than the USA.

Filthy, I think I mentioned before that I spent a good chunk of my life living in a community that was about 50% Aboriginal and 50% white. There were no reserves.

Not to be cold, but IMO the Aboriginal peoples in Canada were conquered, just as people were conquered since the beginning of time. They were lied to and given crap land, forced into crap treaties, but they were not in a position to get anything better as a conquered peoples

Their treatment though, was horrific, and is a stain on Canada to this day. The question now though is whether there is a remedy? Any remedy for past wrongs? I don't think there will ever be justice (per se), and I am not sure what justice would look like across the world for conquered peoples, including North American Aboriginal peoples.

Personally, it bugs me more that the French in Canada (who were also defeated ), have more leverage over our federal politics than Aboriginal people do. Aboriginal people have little power and influence; the province of Quebec has too much influence. (IMO)

yup, pretty much.

yeah idk what it looks like to make things right after centuries of genocide. but i do know it doesn't look like mt rushmore, team mascots, and pocahontas jokes.

people think it's absurd to villainize abraham lincoln for his role in leading a nation that was committing genocide

It's not absurd at all. The truth is the history of the world is pretty appalling.

The thing is, killing sacred cows is painful for people. Does that mean that we shouldn't try to present more balanced and inclusive pictures of history? Not at all. But portraying narrowminded white men as unapologetic, remorseless, villains is also not very nuanced.

People are people. Some are better than others at thinking outside the prejudices and morals of their time in history. Some recognize the right thing but are unwilling to pay or allow their families to pay the cost of doing the right thing.

If you're 100% convinced that if you were alive in the time of Lincoln you would have been an unapologetic anti-slavery crusader, sensitive to the rights of women (who were property) and attempting to redress the wrongs committed against the indigenous peoples, then I hope you are a very mindful consumer and, at the very least, a dedicated human rights activist (and preferably animal rights) and environmental activist today.

Because at least some of the people back then have the excuse of not knowing better. What's our excuse today?

i have quite the resume of thinking against mainstream culture. when i was about 10 i decided owning pets was immoral. by that time i had gotten to know my dog pretty well, and it seemed to me his life was incredibly lacking in freedom and self determination.

i stopped believing in god at age 5

currently i question why animal life(including human) is so valued over plant life, and why so called life is valued over other things, like rocks or thoughts or clouds

Do you still think that? Because its a bad example of the point you are trying to make. I am quite sure that the majority of animal lovers who also are the type of people who don't form an opinion without a lot of contemplation, think that you are wrong for dogs and possibly a few other species.Two examples would be in the non doctored photo of my avatar.

i disagree with my 10 year old self that owning pets is immoral, at least as a blanket statement. but generally speaking, most pet owners probably don't fully empathize with their pets and their lack of freedom and autonomy

imagine reversing the relationship. the dog/cat/bird/fish is the owner master, and you are the pet.

how many people will die because trump tweeted "don't be afraid of covid"?

I don't consider owning pets to be clearly wrong but there are some grey areas. Dogs and cats have been domesticated for so long that I don't think freedom and consent are too big of a problem if you take care of them well. But imo there are moral problems with spaying/neutering them as well as not doing that.

The way most bird owners keep their birds seems wrong, keeping them in cages where they have little freedom and can't fly around. They're also often neglected which is especially cruel if you only have one. When I was a kid, we had birds and let them fly around the apartment, which is much better but still not something I would do again.

Eh, I'm sure a Democratic president would have done the same thing.

The freedom to be injured vs the boredom of security.

Dogs lack the capacity for escapism that we enjoy as humans.


We got a second dog to keep our first one company, but now I have two forlorn wards instead of one.

Good chance I'm just projecting though

Indoor birds is cruel. Kept fish is cool.

If you love them, set them free.
If they return, twas meant to be.

Really digging at root issues of freedom, autonomy, and security here!

Labeling it as master slave isn't necessary, "hierarchal" relationship can be reciprocally beneficial.

Wonder how people view raising kids.

hey filthy, I've found a fashion statement for you to make whenever the casino reopens now that you've retired the bathrobe and slippers look:

None?

Is there really anyone out there that hasn't made up their mind yet whether you should take COVID-19 seriously? Would be pretty hard to believe.

Team #nolivesmatter

i treat my bird well and he loves me.

i cook food for my bird, i let him out of the cage every day, he likes to go back to his cage himself when he has had enough

i do agree i know people who get birds and neglect them, especially parakeets and finches and birds like that. but most people who spend hundreds or thousands on their birds give them excellent lives