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That doesn't explain the ban on Wikipedia.

I don't think the US ever banned TikTok. I do know Trump tried/wanted to. And it would be wrong if we did.

Pretty sure he banned it until a US company bought the domestic version and then allowed it.

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03-25-2021 , 10:06 AM

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just the fact that a discussion about anti-Asian racism has turned into a critique of the Chinese government is racist in and of itself

like - these were Korean spas in America attacked by a white man and yet somehow we are arguing about the CCP? GTFO

birdman is again right about basically everything (leaving out my full opinion of the CCP as honestly it's irrelevant to the original discussion)

retrace the steps, man

we're only talking about the chinese government because birdman blamed msm criticism of that government for the racism

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03-25-2021 , 10:06 AM

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what are you talking about? You said someone was arrested for criticizing the government when he was in fact arrested for soliciting a prostitute.

All I did was correct your error. Like honestly wtf

According to who? The police?

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03-25-2021 , 10:07 AM

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this is a guy who insists that criticizing israel does not amount to antisemitism

yet criticizing china does amount to sinophobia

go figure?

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03-25-2021 , 10:09 AM

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According to who? The police?

according to the article you cited?

are you trolling me right now?

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03-25-2021 , 10:10 AM

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this is a guy who insists that criticizing israel does not amount to antisemitism

yet criticizing china does amount to sinophobia

go figure?

its almost like two different things are different

weird

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03-25-2021 , 10:11 AM

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According to who? The police?

Yeah, like... for as much as you rag on everybody here for accepting the word of the government, BM, you sure are putting a lot of faith in the word of the chinese government/police in this case.

It's not at all worrisome to you that an outspoken critic of the chinese government has suddenly found himself imprisoned for solicitation?

You seem to be putting away your criticism of government hat pretty quickly for this one, and I'm not entirely sure why.

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03-25-2021 , 10:12 AM

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Indepdent: US "Freedom Score" falls

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The United States has dropped 11 points in 10 years in the global ranking for freedom.

A new report from democracy watchdog Freedom House charting the political and civil rights of different nations has the US down significantly because of racial inequality, the negative impact of money in politics, and the rise in polarisation between Americans.

Coming in at 83 out of 100 possible points, the US is now tied with countries such as Panama, Romania, and Croatia, and behind Argentina and Mongolia. America is outstripped by the United Kingdom and Chile which both got 93 points, Costa Rica at 91 and Slovakia at 90.

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03-25-2021 , 10:12 AM

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lol this is honestly like alice in wonderland

EB dredges up an article about some random dude and insists he was locked up for criticizing the government, but the only evidence he provides actually says he was arrested for soliciting a prostitute

so now its my job to prove EB's baseless assertion to be wrong, but I'm not allowed to use EB's OWN evidence to do so

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03-25-2021 , 10:13 AM

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its almost like two different things are different

weird

in both scenarios, there is criticism of a state and a question of the linkage of that criticism to the nationality behind/under the state

how are they meaningfully different in this context?

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03-25-2021 , 10:15 AM

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in both scenarios, there is criticism of a state and a question of linkage of that criticism to the nationality behind the state

how are they meaningfully different in this context?

are you asking the difference between Judaism and the country of China? I'm confused

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03-25-2021 , 10:17 AM

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retrace the steps, man

we're only talking about the chinese government because birdman blamed msm criticism of that government for the racism

i probably wasn't being very clear. my point isn't that china being brought up at all as a means of causing a spike in anti-Asian racism in the west is bad, it was that the conversation turned from what is a fairly innocuous and obvious point:

"when the media spends years of treating china/non-western countries as at best exotic destinations with some weird quirks, and at worst dystopian hellholes where people will cut off their own arms and legs to get out, what a surprise, people are going to start being racist toward people from those societies"

to

"well regardless of any of that, which may or may not exist, China=bad"

and that is racist

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03-25-2021 , 10:21 AM

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are you asking the difference between Judaism and the country of China? I'm confused

I'm asking how you see a distinction between a Jewish state & Jewish people but not between a Chinese state & Chinese people.

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03-25-2021 , 10:23 AM

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I'm asking how you see a distinction between a Jewish state & Jewish people but not between a Chinese state & Chinese people.

Israeli and Jewish are not the same thing

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03-25-2021 , 10:25 AM

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again, the steps are important here. birdman said that the chinese people support their government, at a 90% rate(!), and the response was "that support is not reliable", which then turned into evidencing the unreliability of that support

nobody is here saying "racism against asians is irrelevant because china is bad"

but again, if the narrative is that the societies are oppressive, wouldn't sympathy/pity be the natural emotion to feel towards the members of those societies, not hatred/animosity?

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03-25-2021 , 10:25 AM

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But like, if you really want to drill down this, of course if a government deliberately spent years manufacturing ridiculous antisemitic propaganda and that lead to a rise in antisemitism in that country, it would be reasonable to draw a connection. This is, in fact, what happened in Nazi Germany.

I don't understand what point you are making, though.

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03-25-2021 , 10:25 AM

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Israeli and Jewish are not the same thing

and Chinese Americans aren't Chinese citizens

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03-25-2021 , 10:26 AM

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to be clear

I'm not saying that criticism of Israel = criticism of Jews

I am saying that criticism of China != criticism of Chinese people

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03-25-2021 , 10:27 AM

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and Chinese Americans aren't Chinese citizens

dude what are you talking about

Chinese people are from China

Jewish people are not (necessarily) from the country of Israel

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03-25-2021 , 10:27 AM

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nobody is here saying "racism against asians is irrelevant because china is bad"

not overtly, of course - but when the discussion very quickly turns into "yeah that sucks but china sucks too" surely you can see how pointed indifference quickly turns into irrelevance from a practical perspective

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03-25-2021 , 10:28 AM

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hard to believe you really do not understand the difference in history and material conditions between China and Israel. This has to be willful ignorance with you trying to draw a parallel between them.

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03-25-2021 , 10:29 AM

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right, if the US/media spent years pumping propaganda against chinese people, of course we would expect hate crimes against chinese people to rise

but the US/media did not do that; the propaganda (assuming the propriety of the term arguendo) was directed against the Chinese state, not against Chinese people

when I raised this, you argued that there is no meaningful difference, but that argument for seem reason doesn't apply to the Jewish state/people

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03-25-2021 , 10:30 AM

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dude what are you talking about

Chinese people are from China

Jewish people are not (necessarily) from the country of Israel

ethnically chinese people are "from" all over the place, man

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03-25-2021 , 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Birdman10687

He's not the only one, and I provided links to others.

And the article you're talking about has this quote:

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That day came Monday, when more than a dozen police officers reportedly showed up at Xu’s house in Beijing, arresting him for apparently consorting with prostitutes, according to The New York Times—a charge that is surely spurious.

If there was a leftist American who was arrested by the LAPD for prostitution, I don't think your response would be remotely the same.