It's expected to be down in Detroit, probably only 50%. Shouldn't matter, Trump has turned off enough people in the suburbs to lose the state.

I'd guess it's called tonight something like 87% of the time.

Been a lot of fear mongering (even from eyebooger!) to get people out and vote with a vague threat of violence and make sure it's not close.

The principled kind of fear mongering, to be sure.

I'm not fear mongering. It's just a prediction.

I think things will get very, very dark if this election is close. Hope I'm wrong about that.

Hope even more that we just have a blowout so we don't have to worry about it.

I'd think people who push that vmfs posts cause real violence might be cognizant that a narrative of violence may become self fulfilling. One might even begin to believe the whole thing is done in bad faith to emotionally manipulate people!

Or maybe as someone on the internet once posted "we judge others by their actions and ourselves by our intentions".

laughed out loud at this. it's pretty disturbing that no one else even reacted.

i'll def concede that usa elections are more real than some other countries BUT you can't call them real elections when no candidate who actually represents the interests of the people has ever had more than 5% of the vote in the history of the country

It can't be called tonight

Pennsylvania is accepting votes until Frida

It can be called if Pennsylvania doesn't matter.

i think most likely we will have a clear winner tonight

I don’t but I can guarantee that we’ll have 328 million losers tonight.

I think it's mostly real in the sense lots of fake votes aren't being added from dead people or people being explicitly bullied into not voting, things like that. Obviously you can expand what real means to many other things.

Additionally who would even want to be a politician when you see what they go through? Maybe that is part of the meta ploy to keep power.

yep. that's my point about usa democracy. 328 million unrepresented

trump, obama, aoc... all having the times of their lives being in power. they all totally get off on it, and make tons of money

I'm not really interested in having the discussion right now but you would be so, so disappointed in the results if we had actual democracy. Unless it were coupled with coercion, of course.

Off to go vote.

Seems like there are way better ways to grift tons of money if that's your goal.

Here’s the thing: I obv don’t have the insight into US politics the avg American Pogger does, but it does not take a genius to see the Electoral College is a deeply flawed system, that gerrymandering and voter suppression are running rampant, etc. etc.

But voter suppression alone cannot explain why people did not show up for Bernie in the 2020 primaries, esp on Super Tuesday. His voter base did not show up.

bernie's base did not show up. that was at least party due to collusion by the dem party. and hugely due to massive corporate media propaganda campaign. the massive media propaganda is the main things that prevents democracy. it largely allows money to control who gets elected.

it's true bernie had a lot of money, but he didn't have corporate interests on his side, so all the pundits and anchors were against him. the machine was against him, and against all of us.

btw, i don't think even bernie really represents our interests. at least i hope he doesn't. he doesn't represent mine. he wants to drone strike people and send in commandos, and he's ok with dems outright colluding against him to give the nomination to hilary and then supporting her, and then same thing again this time with biden. what a joke.

another thing with bernie is that i don't think he likes the democratic party, or he ever wanted to join the democratic party. he only joined because the dems and repubs and media machine collude to keep everyone out who is not a dem or repub.

so to be taken seriously, bernie has to join the dem party and expose himself to their machinations which stole the nomination from him twice in a row

This alone cannot explain the pitiful voter turnout that he received. Which is basically the same thing that happened in 2016. Either not enough people believed in his ideals, thought he was not the right person to deliver them or were afraid that he was gonna lose to Trump (and yeah, there were a lot of media pieces about that... but tell me, why did Trump try so hard to find compromat on Biden, and not Bernie, and why was he tweeting all the time that the Democratic Party did Bernie dirty? Maybe the media pieces were right? Sure, Trump now tries to play Biden as a socialist as well, but perhaps that would have been much more effective with Bernie - regardless of the fact of whether Bernie is actually a socialist or not).

Yeah, I don’t buy the “stole twice in a row” thing one single bit.

i could be wrong about this, but i believe media machine is responsible. it explains why german, russian, and japanese war criminals are bad, but usa war criminals are heroes. it explains(to me) why most americans don't understand that they are voting against their own interests when they vote for dems or repubs.

it explains why americans believe we live in a democracy that represents freedom and justice.

so if the machine wasn't effectively manipulating everyone's beliefs, people would behave completely differently(like maybe voting for benie)... is my belief/hope

i don't know all the details. but there were emails of dem party big wigs colluding against bernie to give the nom to hillary. someone hacked their emails and found them cheating to steal the nomination. i believe some debate questions where given to hillary in advance. i forget the other stuff.

and this time biden was getting crushed in the early primaries, just obliterated. he wasn't even a factor. but then obama and all the dems endorsed biden??? the only reason that makes any sense is to stop bernie, who looked like he was going to win the nomination unless dems united to stop him.

and warren staying in on super tuesday was probably to take away votes from bernie. that is not provable, but it makes sense. she had no shot to win at that point. and all the dems were ganging up against bernie, so she probably was too

comrade filthy knows better than the people where their real interests lie

How many times has Biden's campaign bus been run off the road by Trump supporters?

Which candidate told a militant citizens' brigade to "stand by"?

What's that got to do with eyebooger and vmf itt?

Obviously running the bus of the road was wrong.

Do you agree priming people for violence may make it more likely for violence to occur? I feel like it is likely you do.