Things became tense when Neil asked Corbyn, 'Let me ask you this. Is it anti-Semitic to say Rothschild’s Zionists run Israel and world governments?'

Corbyn replied, 'In the Chakrabarti Report we asked that people did not use comparisons about conspiracies, not use –' and was interrupted by Neil saying 'is it anti-Semitic?' A verbal tussle then ensued where neither party seemed to concede ground.

Corbyn: It should not be used and it is.

Neil: But you can’t say it’s anti-Semitic?

Corbyn: Look, I just said that it should not be used.

as you see he wouildnt call it anti-semetic to say Rothschild Zionists run Israel and World Governments

you get mad at trump saying "yes white nationilist groups are bad but ..." but you have no issue with this


here is the mural he supported going up in the city that was remoived in 2012 and he insisted it wasnt anti semetic he just found it to be a nice mural -



anyone this argument is pointless cause no matter what you will conclude that he is a progressive and thinks israel is evil so he must not be anti-semetic

Lol that mural looks like satire

You do realize Corbyn can say those things and still be antisemitic?

that mural is racist af. did he really say it was a nice mural? i'm skeptical.

lol of course. i'm just asking for words he said that are racist. i see words he said that are not racist. i haven't seen any words he said that are racist.

Mets, I agree it's hypocritical, but it's also very hypocritical you don't loudly denounce Trumps racism.

It feels that Filthy should say Corbyn is anti-semitic and Mets says Trump is a racist and we can move on. Both things seem true.

Corbyn getting got will be better for English politics, as far as I understand them. He was the problem much of the Jewish community seems to have had with the party.

he didnt want it taken down at minumum

i see tons of press saying corbyn is anti semitic. but none of them say how or why he is anti semitic.

same thing happened with bernie sanders to a lesser degree

The right word is “antisemitic”.

i mean it should be really easy to find a quote. mets has made several posts. but no racist quotes from corbyn

Unfortunately the Labour’s antisemitism problem does not seem to end with Jeremy Corbyn. Getting rid of him should help but there is a lot of work to be done. It’s a very shitty situation all around bc the other main party is led by Boris ****ing Johnson.

full disclosure

he apparantly apologized and said he didnt look at the picture closely and the comment he made on that post and picture was not about that post and picture

so you can continue to believe he is not antisemetic if you want

In the spirit of this, Mets, you're comfortable clearly stating Trump is racist?

Without being prewarned it's antisemitic I may not have notice or thought that. Never knew the stereotype of big noses until young adult life, either.

filthy

no offense but from our discussions, i dont think you understand the israel palestinian conflict enough to understand how BDS and other anit-Israel statements often have antisemetic ties and use israel's policy as an excuse to be anti-semetic

or the history of why an israeli state was needed

Let me ask you a serious question

do you think Black Americans and Native Americans deserve some sort of reparations for the injustices done to them in America? Why or why not?

"I believe" would be more appropriate

We all agree if someone is asked "do you condemn white supremism/racism/Antisemitism /sexism/etc" , the answer is almost purely performative, right?

thanks mets

i suspect(just suspet! idk) that corbyn's alleged anti semitism isn't. i mean if you actually look into the accusations. and that's why all the articles just say he is anti semitic, but don't say why or how. just like with bernie

if this means does he think white people are superior to black people? most probably based on things he has said

does it mean he wants to create policy to help white people be more superior or to keep black people down? absolutely not

it took me many years to get to the point that I believe it's 100% nurture over nature and I doubt Trump is there at all. BUt i dont think he has been making policies to hurt the minority race.

Trump says many cringeworthy things. Many. It's embarrassing that he;s the best the republiocans could do, no argument. It was enough to convert you out of the party. I get that.

I also never yelled that Corbin shoudl be removed or anything. Years ago when the stories of him being part of facebook grouips with hate speech were there and he claimed he never read those posts or he would have condemned them - i laughed but didnt care - probably because i dont live in england and dont care much about their politics.

Trump not condemning antisemetism and white nationism have been the main things that have made me reconsider voting trump. He has done a piss awful job of it. I dont think he has made antisemetic comments like many say he does, but regardless his lack of strong condemnation for them - which may be just so he doesnt lose the white racist vote or whatever -- is inexecusable and awful. and maybe because he is truly racist and doesnt want to condemn them -- its def possible

filthy

what does the word Zionism mean to you?

thats 2 questions i wouldnt mind you seeing you answer filthy

2 simple questions

Thanks. I understand you wanting Filthy to condemn Corbyn, but it would be a hypocritical expectation without you saying Trump is clearly racist.

I'm glad you are willing to see that he is racist.

FWIW, in regards to Corbyn, I think Filthy's questions are fair but I know progressive Jewish people who feel he clearly perpetuates anti-semitism, and it's always enough for me if a significant portion of a minoritized population feels a way to just accept it as legitimate feelings.

i dont care if filthy condemns corbin or not

im just sick of people using anti-israel bias as an excuse to allow antisemetism and it has been happening more and more

just like birdman woudlnt answer any questions about the real issues with israel/palestine == its just easier to take it as "Israel = white imperialist, Palestine equals oppressed people" and it lets you say lots of stuff about israel that many people want to say about jews

back when turner owned CNN, they used to report "The jews killed 4 palestenians today". they didnt hide their bias. but people today say "israel killed 4 helpless palestenians after oppressing them for all these years" because it is much more accepted today

zionism i guess means jewish pride? not really sure tbh

not sure what your other simple question is

this is an excellent barometer

i haven't discussed corbyn with my jewish friends/family

https://www.ama-assn.org/about/leade...ns6XoKUFkpmcms

"The assault on public health and the undermining of efforts to defeat COVID-19 began with unfounded suspicions about the science and evidence of this novel coronavirus and how it spreads. It grew with speculation about harmful and unproven treatments for COVID-19, false claims that masks were a source of infections, and by misleading suggestions that increased testing alone explains why case counts are surging"