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09-23-2020 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
fwiw, I consider "capital" to include anything that is used to produce something else


I don't like Birdman's definition of "capital" because, I think, his definition makes the term "investment capital" redundant, whereas I believe the term has a special relevance under my own formulation.
it’s not my definition it’s karl marx’s
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09-23-2020 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
i dont know and you dont know what was shown to the grand jury is all i am saying

we have no idea
so you're saying the grand jury's absolution has no bearing on your opinion of the case?
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09-23-2020 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
it’s not my definition it’s karl marx’s
if you're adopting it, it is yours


I would love to have a conversation with Karl, if he was around
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09-23-2020 , 11:55 PM
such a weird thing to harp on what was shown to the grand jury as if that is somehow proof that everything went as it should

that is literally the point, the courts, the judges, the cops, etc are all part of the same ****ed up system that lets cops get away with murder
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09-23-2020 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
if you're adopting it, it is yours


I would love to have a conversation with Karl, if he was around
ok, just wanted to give due attribution
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09-23-2020 , 11:56 PM
BM, framing the police conduct as "murder" is semantically tying yourself to that very system.
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09-23-2020 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
such a weird thing to harp on what was shown to the grand jury as if that is somehow proof that everything went as it should

that is literally the point, the courts, the judges, the cops, etc are all part of the same ****ed up system that lets cops get away with murder
Yes. That’s what I was saying. If everything is right with this outcome there’s literally no avenue besides violence.
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09-24-2020 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
its still very sad and i do think the many of the people protesting tonight are protesting in good faith .. ie they believe this was a race issue and that the cops dont care about black lives. i get why they feel that way.

and that may or may not be true in this particular instance.

but regardless, it's all very sad and I pray for the people of Louisville and the city
lol you are so full of ****
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09-24-2020 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by chim17
If the cops were acting legally and correctly it’s more of an argument for rebellion, not less.
yup
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09-24-2020 , 12:09 AM
these are not bad individuals who happened to be cops

these were cops doing their job like almost any other cop would, and the court found no wrongdoing

THAT IS THE PROBLEM
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09-24-2020 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
so my chipstack in a poker game is capital, but the chip i take out of the stack to pay the server for my dinner is not capital?
Yes. This is a good example. If you are under-capitalized, your business can fail to some negative variance. If you are over-capitalized, your ROI will be low. If your strategy is bad, your capital will disappear.

Capital is not the only ingredient though. There is also your labor. Without that there is no business. You own the capital and you own your own labor so there's no conflict. Split those up, and you have conflict.
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09-24-2020 , 12:16 AM
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The settlement includes reforms on how warrants are handled by police, Mayor Fischer said.

Other reforms seek to build stronger community connections by establishing a housing credit program to encourage officers to live in certain low-income areas in the city. Officers will also be encouraged to perform two paid hours of volunteer work every two weeks in the communities where they serve. The city will also track police use-of-force incidents and citizen complaints.

The city has already taken some other reform measures, including passing a law named for Taylor that bans the use of the no-knock warrants. Police typically use them in drug cases over concern that evidence could be destroyed if they announce their arrival.

Fischer fired former police chief Steve Conrad in June and last week named Yvette Gentry, a former deputy chief, as the new interim police chief. Gentry would be the first Black woman to lead the force of about 1,200 sworn officers.

AP

I get that people are mad about the cops not being ground through the criminal justice system they perpetuate, but it looks like this incident is resulting in some important changes.
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09-24-2020 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
these are not bad individuals who happened to be cops

these were cops doing their job like almost any other cop would, and the court found no wrongdoing

THAT IS THE PROBLEM
the court is not a grand jury

pretty important distinction, here
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09-24-2020 , 12:22 AM
I never really thought about it before but I've conceived about what I'd do if cops broke in to my house unannounced but never if I were just randomly robbed.
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09-24-2020 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy
Yes. This is a good example. If you are under-capitalized, your business can fail to some negative variance. If you are over-capitalized, your ROI will be low. If your strategy is bad, your capital will disappear.

Capital is not the only ingredient though. There is also your labor. Without that there is no business. You own the capital and you own your own labor so there's no conflict. Split those up, and you have conflict.
it’s not really capital because he is using his chip stack to pay for his subsistence
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09-24-2020 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
I get that people are mad about the cops not being ground through the criminal justice system they perpetuate, but it looks like this incident is resulting in some important changes.
i legitimately can’t tell if this was meant to be satire or not
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09-24-2020 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
i still dont think violence is going to bring forth the change the people want
Violence is what caused this. Not the other way around.

The police are violent, they’re dangerous, and they murder innocent citizens indiscriminately.

Burn it all down.
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09-24-2020 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by chim17
If the cops were acting legally and correctly it’s more of an argument for rebellion, not less.
This. If there is any universe where breaking into a woman's home and shooting her dead with no cause is legal, then I don't want to live in that Universe.

And you shouldn't either Mets. You gonna be perfectly ok with the gran jury finding nobody at fault after the cops bust into YOUR house and shoot YOUR wife dead in the next room for no reason?

Just because it hasn't happened to you yet means you don't need to give a ****, right? Its always the same with you mother****ers. **** ya'll, got mine is gonna be the goddamn rallying death cry of the Trump cult as they drive their own asses off the cliff. Until its too late and you come running back in here crying about the Leopards who ate your wife's face after you let the leopard into your ****ing house.

Xnerd is 100% right about every observation she made about you.

****ing scummy is what it is.
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09-24-2020 , 01:32 AM
holy ****

I took a look around the politics subforum and it's terrifying
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09-24-2020 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
I never really thought about it before but I've conceived about what I'd do if cops broke in to my house unannounced but never if I were just randomly robbed.
During a home poker game (for either situation)?
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09-24-2020 , 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by chim17
If the cops were acting legally and correctly it’s more of an argument for rebellion, not less.
Very well said.

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
i still dont think violence is going to bring forth the change the people want.
THEN WHAT WILL?
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09-24-2020 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
holy ****

I took a look around the politics subforum and it's terrifying
That's what happens when 90-95% of the good posters leave permanently overnight and go form their own forum.

The remaining 5-10% that still post there are absolute masochists for this stuff (even more so than I am for posting here).
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09-24-2020 , 07:23 AM
Trumps not gonna leave if he loses, so what happens then?

Civil war?
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09-24-2020 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkDonkDonkDonk
Trumps not gonna leave if he loses, so what happens then?
No one has any idea. Just about anything is on the table.
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09-24-2020 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark_K
During a home poker game (for either situation)?
Nah just whenever, don't run those. I sorta live in a place right now where if cops decided to raid the neighbors place at night for some reason it would be shocking if they did the wrong one.
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