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01-23-2019 , 01:41 PM

#15126

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Looks like AOC also just voted for a house bill reiterating US support for NATO. Dang she is on a roll!

lol

in the entire House, only 22 "no" votes were cast, all by Republicans

01-23-2019 , 01:42 PM

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in the entire House, only 22 "no" votes were cast, all by Republicans

I bet those Republicans aren't neocons.

01-23-2019 , 02:10 PM

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in the entire House, only 22 "no" votes were cast, all by Republicans

Should tell you everything you need to know about the Democratic Party and American politics in general

01-23-2019 , 02:34 PM

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Should tell you everything you need to know about the Democratic Party and American politics in general

Roles flipped. It used to be that the democratic party was the party for peace while the Republicans were the neocon warmongering party. Now it is the opposite, all in the name of resisting Trump. Not claiming that the Republicans are that much better now.

01-23-2019 , 02:52 PM

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Coup in Venezuela taking place currently. Met a number of Venezuelans last year and they were all great people. Sometimes I would ask if they placed the blame for the crisis there on Maduro/Chavez or on the West, and nobody ever blamed the west--it was always they said due to the corruption of the regime. Which I don't believe because even if the regime were perfect the West would still be out to get them. So more or less socialist Venezuela always an experiment doomed to failure but hopefully things improve there.

01-23-2019 , 03:13 PM

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Pretty sure nothing has flipped, dawg. Both parties have always been and continue to be warmongering imperialists.

No party has every been “the party for peace” lol

01-23-2019 , 03:24 PM

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Sometimes I would ask if they placed the blame for the crisis there on Maduro/Chavez or on the West, and nobody ever blamed the west--it was always they said due to the corruption of the regime. Which I don't believe

It's a good thing you're so much smarter than them.

01-23-2019 , 03:25 PM

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Pretty sure nothing has flipped, dawg. Both parties have always been and continue to be warmongering imperialists.

No party has every been “the party for peace” lol

I don't want to disagree with you but there is a lot of room for debate there.

I think you and I both agree that people don't inherently want war--at least most people.

01-23-2019 , 03:26 PM

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It's a good thing you're so much smarter than them.

Hmm

01-23-2019 , 03:28 PM

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I believe you if you say everyone you talked to blamed the regime. I don’t believe that is necessarily representative of VZ as a whole, Dustin

01-23-2019 , 03:53 PM

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I believe you if you say everyone you talked to blamed the regime. I don’t believe that is necessarily representative of VZ as a whole, Dustin

It's a pretty small of Venezuelans. All of them in their 20s or 30s. And everyone from either Caracas or Maracaibo. One guy who had lived in Colombia for 8 years, others more recent arrivals but everybody settled--although you also see tents with Venezuelans in bigger Colombian cities. But it isn't like I hobnob with the rich either. No older rural people in my sample though.

01-23-2019 , 03:58 PM

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Ok I’m just saying I’ve seen quite a few indications that Maduro has broad support among Venezuelans

01-23-2019 , 04:37 PM

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Ok I’m just saying I’ve seen quite a few indications that Maduro has broad support among Venezuelans

For sure, the fact that my set is composed entirely of people who have emigrated from Venezuela due to the problems there, will skew their opinions of the government.

Chavez certainly had support of the people, but he died before things got as bad as they are now. But I've always urged everyone to watch The Revolution Will Not be Televised which is about the 2002 coup attempt against Chavez and shows why the media is the enemy of the people.

Incidentally AOC is the "televised" revolution and the fact that she is "televised" is how you know that she really isn't fighting for the people. (Regardless of anything else she does with votes or rhetoric)

01-23-2019 , 04:43 PM

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For sure, the fact that my set is composed entirely of people who have emigrated from Venezuela due to the problems there, will skew their opinions of the government.

People are fleeing Venezuela in droves. Argentina is overrun with Venezuelans now, and Argentina isn't even remotely near Venezuela. You think people are just leaving for the hell of it?

01-23-2019 , 05:03 PM

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People are fleeing Venezuela in droves. Argentina is overrun with Venezuelans now, and Argentina isn't even remotely near Venezuela. You think people are just leaving for the hell of it?

Obviously I don't think that nor have I expressed that. It does make sense that more middle class young people who have escaped Venezuela might have a different opinion of the government than those there. How you turn that into "people leaving for the hell of it" I'm not sure.

And again the question isn't "is it bad?". That part is assumed. The question was "who do you blame?".

01-23-2019 , 05:04 PM

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People are fleeing Venezuela in droves. Argentina is overrun with Venezuelans now, and Argentina isn't even remotely near Venezuela. You think people are just leaving for the hell of it?

Are you trying to say that the reason people leave a country is based solely on their opinion of the government in said country?

01-23-2019 , 05:05 PM

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It’s possible that conditions in VZ are super bad and that people have a good opinion of the government

01-23-2019 , 05:20 PM

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Are you trying to say that the reason people leave a country is based solely on their opinion of the government in said country?

People are leaving because of shortages of food and medicine. Those problems are not caused by "the media" or "the West."

01-23-2019 , 05:22 PM

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Dustin's stance in this whole mess is particularly confounding given that the Trump administration is backing the coup.

01-23-2019 , 05:30 PM

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Dustin's stance in this whole mess is particularly confounding given that the Trump administration is backing the coup.

Hmm. Not sure what this is supposed to mean at all or how it is that you think I think.

You know that I always supported Chavez because I saw him as fighting for the people. Now that I actually know some Venezuelans who I find to be all great people, what I would like to see is an end of the problems there. If that involves a reintegration with "the West" in order to achieve that then ok. I also admit to selfishly wanting to travel there someday.

01-23-2019 , 05:39 PM

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Dustin's stance in this whole mess is particularly confounding given that the Trump administration is backing the coup.

And what I've noticed that is interesting btw is that you'll play a liberal for US politics but if it is anything involving leftists in South America (is Kirchner even considered a leftist?) then you want nothing to do with them.

01-23-2019 , 05:46 PM

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I'll "play" a liberal?

01-23-2019 , 05:50 PM

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Sure why not. You play a liberal. I play a conspiracy theorist, Birdman plays a socialist.

But for Argentina you put your pro-business hat on I think.

01-23-2019 , 06:10 PM

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No, what's different is where each country falls on the spectrum. In international terms Macri is called "center-right" but if he were in the US he'd be a solid Democrat.

And in Argentina the choice was between Macri and the openly corrupt and incompetent Kirchnerists who were trying to turn Argentina into a carbon copy of Venezuela, which at this point I think we can all agree isn't an economy worth copying.