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12-02-2018 , 02:43 PM

#14626

Slighted

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 16,879

Quote:

Originally Posted by Booker Wolfbox

Did they have ghb in 1950?

they've always had alcohol to my knowledge which is what the song is implying. spiking the drink with alcohol.

12-02-2018 , 02:44 PM

#14627

Slighted

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 16,879

regardless its a dumb song that sounds really rapey and isnt really a christmas necessity anyway.

12-02-2018 , 03:11 PM

#14628

biggerboat

you're gonna need one

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 48,562

Don't think I've ever heard that song

12-02-2018 , 03:19 PM

#14629

Crossnerd

quite smart as well

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 39,785

How is that even possible?!

12-02-2018 , 03:36 PM

#14630

UncleDynamite

Marginalia Satan

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 28,898

Have definitely never heard of it either, but I am not from the US, so I prolly don’t count?

12-02-2018 , 03:42 PM

#14631

kokiri

ffermwr moch

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 52,228

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crossnerd

Bad call there, buddy. Sorry.

Can't get all of them right

Are we banning James bond?

12-02-2018 , 03:59 PM

#14632

ihcjay

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 44,298

https://imgur.com/gallery/fgCF9Fv

12-02-2018 , 04:04 PM

#14633

ihcjay

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 44,298

Can't get it to post

Shows your song isnt really rapey

Personally I wish all Christmas music was banned though

12-02-2018 , 04:11 PM

#14634

Bloobird

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 24,252

there you go

no idea if legit or not

12-02-2018 , 04:16 PM

#14635

Bloobird

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 24,252

I think the conclusion from this seems reasonable

Quote:

Given the historical and musical context, you don’t have to turn in your feminist card if you don’t interpret the original “Baby, It’s Cold Outside” lyrics as a literal description of a date rape. In 1944, affirmative consent wasn’t even an option for the woman in the song; she would have had to protect her reputation by either playing hard to get or not allowing herself to be gotten at all. And the way the song is written — a playful call-and-response duet that resolves harmoniously — definitely sounds like mutual desire.

But every sexual situation is dependent on context. It depends on the relationship two people have, the chemistry between them, the particular verbal or nonverbal communication that’s going on, and the clarity (or lack thereof) that both people want something to happen. Seducing someone and making the first move isn’t sexual assault, but it can be if it’s unwanted.

So it’s also totally fair if the song makes you uncomfortable — because in even a slightly different context, the same dialogue in “Baby, It’s Cold Outside” could have easily played out as a bad, coercive experience for the woman. And the man could have very easily justified it after the fact, because the burden wasn’t on him to make sure his partner was comfortable with the experience. It should be, though — and as a culture, we’re only beginning to imagine what that looks and sounds like.

12-02-2018 , 04:18 PM

#14636

Crossnerd

quite smart as well

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 39,785

Read it, found it gross tbh

12-02-2018 , 04:23 PM

#14637

filthyvermin

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 60,222

back then it always rape! so it's ok! woo hoo!!! rape away! merry christmas!

12-02-2018 , 04:30 PM

#14638

kokiri

ffermwr moch

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 52,228

When i was in Japan I had a bunch of Korean friends, and then i spent some time in Korea, and there there was a fairly explicit ‘girls can say yes, they can say “NO!” or they can say “No, *giggle*”, and it’s up to you to figure out which is which’ standard in Korea. It was very uncomfortable, and my general response was I’m not getting past first base, because I’m not playing that game even slightly.

The song can die, I’m not going to lose any sleep over it, but I think it’s way way back in the queue of things that have aged really badly, and the ban seems weird to me. Edit: maybe I’m just reading it wrong - to me it sounds like he’s trying to persuade her to stay, not preventing her from leaving, and that’s the key difference i think.

12-02-2018 , 04:43 PM

#14639

Crossnerd

quite smart as well

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 39,785

She said she doesn’t want to stay, like 40 ****ing times

At best, the guy is an impolite ******* who should have said ok, can I walk you home after the very first no

12-02-2018 , 04:44 PM

#14640

Crossnerd

quite smart as well

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 39,785

Goddamn it you ****ing guys

12-02-2018 , 04:45 PM

#14641

Crossnerd

quite smart as well

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 39,785

And that explanation posted that she can’t say yes and he’s doing her a favor is possibly the worst yet

Mega UGH

12-02-2018 , 04:46 PM

#14642

kokiri

ffermwr moch

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 52,228

So, like I said, do we ban James Bond? It’s way way worse.

12-02-2018 , 04:51 PM

#14643

filthyvermin

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 60,222

james bond is SCUM! he is a soldier of the empire! and of course a complete misogynist

def ban that pos!

12-02-2018 , 04:51 PM

#14644

kokiri

ffermwr moch

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 52,228

Whatever, it’s not a hill I’m prepared to die on. If you tell me I’m wrong, I’m wrong.

12-02-2018 , 04:53 PM

#14645

filthyvermin

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 60,222

i remember sean connery saying he slaps women in a barabar walters interview. and my mom and my sister said it was ok! jfc! he said sometimes they deserve a slap

this was like 1980ish

12-02-2018 , 04:56 PM

#14646

Crossnerd

quite smart as well

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 39,785

I’ve never really watched James Bond movies so I don’t know anything about them, but based on your description, yah probably ban that **** too

12-02-2018 , 04:57 PM

#14647

Crossnerd

quite smart as well

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 39,785

Ur being very miss pog apologist right now with the bs slippery slope argument. ***** please with that noise.

12-02-2018 , 05:00 PM

#14648

kokiri

ffermwr moch

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 52,228

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crossnerd

Ur being very miss pog apologist right now with the bs slippery slope argument. ***** please with that noise.

It's not slippery slope, it's about consistency and trying to understand what we ban and why. There's plenty of ****ed up **** in Shakespeare, but I'm assuming we're not banning that, for example.