FWIW, I think Israel should exist, but I think that tying that to some land right that originated over a thousand years ago is complete nonsense.

Don’t you also believe the occupied territories were legitimate spoils of war? How do you reconcile that?

I don’t know what the statute of limitations is on ancestral homelands, but it’s less than a millennium for sure.

im not sure how i feel about imperialism. but i also feel that if you are fighting for independence for 20 years and in the process acquire some land it happens

i think the UN resolution was a bad one for israel but they still agreed to it but then the arab countries wouldnt and started a war. so israel independently declared independence in 1947 and the war happened

the "israelis" ie the jewish people living in israel had nowhere else to go in the middle east as well. and they didnt force out most of the palestenians initially, the arabs did.

the more recent settlement creations on the west bank are more complicated, but yes i do think they were spoils of war

one of the key components of the UN resolution was to allow access to jerusalem for all of the religions.

Jordan occupied East Jerusalem immediately, and Israel occupied West Jerusalem if you want to call either of them occupiers since the UN said it should be a separate entity

but The israelis had no way to get to either East Jerusalem or West Jerusalem. Israeli military was in West Jerusalem, but nobody could come and visit or pray because israelis could not drive through the west bank to get there. this is why a lot of israelis did not want to accept the original resolution but BenGurion convinced them geting a homeland is more important than worrying about the borders of it right now. so israel agreed.

so the UN resolution passed but a large majority of nations, but 5 nations declared war on the newly recognized state, and wars for 20 years lasted, and in the process yes Israel took over some land.

doesnt seem like a huge war crime in context at all

oh and more muslims come to pray at the temple mount each friday than jews come to pray at the wailing wall each saturday. so israel has kept the freedom of religion that no other country in the region has kept

i do admit that there is some arpatheid quality to israeli law when it comes to land ownership and farming etc. i do not agree with that. there are muslims in the knisset, legally elected and serving, so there is true and fair elections.

many israelis feel that we gave up sinai and now it is a isis run territory, we gave up gaza and now it is a hamas run terrortory, and they have no interest in giving up more land. i do think many in the knesset want a solution with the palestinian authority and i even predict that the Israel will help the Palestenian Authority regain control of Gaza and eradicate Hamas, and that will be the first step toward a 2 state solution.

Taxes confirmed thievery, money that just disappears

Mets did you watch that YouTube video I posted about Israel a while back?

How can you tell whether somebody is a communist?

Mattis ignored his order to kill Assad.
Mattis ignored his order to kill Assad.
Mattis ignored his order to kill Assad.
Mattis ignored his order to kill Assad.
Mattis ignored his order to kill Assad.
Mattis ignored his order to kill Assad.
Mattis ignored his order to kill Assad.

Mattis and Kelley deny every thing in the book

NEW: Defense Sec. James Mattis on Woodward book: "While I generally enjoy reading fiction, this is a uniquely Washington brand of literature, and his anonymous sources do not lend credibility."

In serving in this administration, the idea that I would show contempt for the elected Commander-in-Chief, President Trump, or tolerate disrespect to the office of the President from within our Department of Defense, is a product of someone's rich imagination."

Check out @finnygo’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/finnygo/status/1...279788544?s=09

The book is fiction

Woodward is putting his 60+ yeasr career on the line because...?

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Because the fake news media needs to stop trump from MAGA’ing.....

I mean Woodward only contributed to 2 Pulitzer Prizes and won numerous awards in journalism through an illustrious career.

Clearly he’s the type that would just randomly start fabricating things because of all the MAGA’ing.

one of AOCs homies won her primary. supreme court shenanigans. woodward's book talked hella **** about trump. prison strike is still going. amazon worth over 1 trillion

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You can doubt the veracity of the book if you want after you've read it.

but to say that with such certainty based just on the word of the White House (who is the target of the book) before any of us can even read the book is pretty BOLD, to say the least.




Also, if you genuinely believe that the trump tax cuts was anything other than an absurd, purposeful cut to taxes for the rich/corporations, with -just- enough temporary cuts to incentivize the working class into not caring, you're being deluded.

Wages have been stagnant in our country for decades, and a couple grand in temporary tax cuts isn't going to really give the help that the vast majority of people need.

this seems kinda unprecedented

Does anyone think we actually live in a democracy at this point?

chris hedges wrote another suicidally depressing article, this one about prison slave labor. he listed companies that use prison slave labor, and it was basically all of them...

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-slaves-rebel/

Can't click through links on tapatalk for some reason, but what evidence does he present that those companies are using prison labor?

Because if you don't use cheap slave labor, you will just be run out of the market by the companies that do.

he doesn't present any evidence. so those companies probably aren't doing anything wrong

yeah I'm pretty sure none of that is a secret or anything Master.

To tax cuts had to be temporary by law not that I fully understand that but they have tried to make them prominent and the democrats won't even let that come to the floor.

The Senate passed the bill under "budget reconciliation" rules, allowing them to bypass the filibuster. There are details of the reconciliation rules and process here, and here.

These are the most relevant parts:

So the irony is that the GOP tended to still give lip service to the idea that the tax cuts would be revenue neutral due to extra growth, but they were forced to make the bill temporary in order to use reconciliation rules precisely because no economist will actually agree with the idea that the bill is revenue-neutral :P

So, It's not exactly that they had to be temporary by law. They had to be temporary to be passed under the reconciliation rules, and part of the point of those rules is that the process isn't really intended to be used to write new law.

That's true but if they had their druthers they would be permanent

I worked for Costco, I'm curious what portion of the company was using prison labor. It could be the Kirkland brand but I'm not familiar with it.