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03-04-2018 , 10:09 AM
Digger, it's one thing to write a term into a contract. It's quite another to enforce it.

Not only is the prospect of litigating this issue case-by-case -ev, but courts won't enforce terms that effectively prohibit people from being able to work.

Non compete clauses afaiu generally operate to protect trade secrets and customer lists.



Whether the laborer knows this to begin with is another matter.
03-04-2018 , 11:21 AM
https://www.bing-amp.com/c/s/www.was...2c0_story.html

I assume we've all seem the wire. Makes you wonder how much this happens at the FBI and such.
03-05-2018 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
Digger, it's one thing to write a term into a contract. It's quite another to enforce it.

Not only is the prospect of litigating this issue case-by-case -ev, but courts won't enforce terms that effectively prohibit people from being able to work.

Non compete clauses afaiu generally operate to protect trade secrets and customer lists.



Whether the laborer knows this to begin with is another matter.
I can speak from experience that what you are describing is not the case.
03-05-2018 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
moral quandary.....

so there is this guy i play poker with. he seems like a nice guy. he often says nice things to me. never seen him get angry or rude. he always brings his wife and she is definitely super nice.

the guy has factories in asia and pays his worker $40 a month.

should i criticize him?

we are playing 5/10 if it makes a difference. he usually buys in for minimum $500
How much of your wardrobe and personal belongings are made up of things bought from countries where the labor gets paid $40/month?

If the number is greater than zero point zero, you really don't have much room to criticize.
03-05-2018 , 01:57 PM
apparently some people in the UK are mad that doctors are saying obesity is unhealthy

https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/artic...cklash/1458472

in the future we should train doctors to tell people what they want to hear
03-05-2018 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DWetzel
How much of your wardrobe and personal belongings are made up of things bought from countries where the labor gets paid $40/month?

If the number is greater than zero point zero, you really don't have much room to criticize.
I am not sure how you could see a moral equivalence between these two situations
03-05-2018 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
I am not sure how you could see a moral equivalence between these two situations
I wonder if filthy isn't more moral by making sure that all of his products come from the lowest paid workers. Because presumably without people buying Chinese made products they would have even worse paying jobs?
03-05-2018 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I wonder if filthy isn't more moral by making sure that all of his products come from the lowest paid workers. Because presumably without people buying Chinese made products they would have even worse paying jobs?
I mean this speaks to the real crux of the issue. And it is that in capitalism, profit is moral. Which means sourcing the cheapest labor is moral. Moralality is built on the economic base of society. As long as we live in this system, exploiting labor to the greatest extent possible will always be the “moral” choice.
03-05-2018 , 02:23 PM
The guy bragging about running a factory and only paying (not very much) is a bit weird.

Chinese (and other countries) governments should protect their workers

ez game
03-05-2018 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
The guy bragging about running a factory and only paying (not very much) is a bit weird.

Chinese (and other countries) governments should protect their workers

ez game


Yup, humans are always good at finding ways to explain away their moral culpability.
03-05-2018 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I wonder if filthy isn't more moral by making sure that all of his products come from the lowest paid workers. Because presumably without people buying Chinese made products they would have even worse paying jobs?
or perhaps they would have better paying jobs, if improved working conditions/compensation were made a part of US trade policy (or even less formal consumer practice)
03-05-2018 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
Yup, humans are always good at finding ways to explain away their moral culpability.
The one redeeming quality of humans.
03-05-2018 , 03:16 PM
So which people here would prefer some sort of global government that dictates universal rights and rules that everyone has to abide by and who here believes in democracy/sovereignty/rule of the people?
03-05-2018 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
or perhaps they would have better paying jobs, if improved working conditions/compensation were made a part of US trade policy (or even less formal consumer practice)
At one point there was a debate about whether China should be granted most favored nation status and their path to wto membership and I think most of the opposition to this came from the political right.
03-05-2018 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
So which people here would prefer some sort of global government that dictates universal rights and rules that everyone has to abide by and who here believes in democracy/sovereignty/rule of the people?
Your question seems to imply that these cannot coexist.
03-05-2018 , 04:18 PM
Indeed, it does

Although the commie imperative is to force it on people one way or another until it seems like what they always wanted
03-05-2018 , 04:35 PM
According to an article by the Washington Post...the C.I.A. sent what the paper described as “an intelligence bombshell” to President Obama, warning him that Putin was directly involved in a Russian cyber campaign aimed at disrupting the Presidential election—and helping Trump win. Robert Hannigan, then the head of the U.K.’s intelligence service the G.C.H.Q., had recently flown to Washington and briefed the C.I.A.’s director, John Brennan, on a stream of illicit communications between Trump’s team and Moscow that had been intercepted.

03-05-2018 , 04:41 PM
Sounds like that was from a long time ago.

Wonder why Obama didn't do anything, other than illegally wiretap the Trump campaign?
03-05-2018 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
Sounds like that was from a long time ago.
hence the accompanying video, A NOTE FROM THE PAST


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Originally Posted by pwnsall
Wonder why Obama didn't do anything, other than illegally wiretap the Trump campaign?
too busy trying to force Sharia Law on us I suppose
03-05-2018 , 05:01 PM
die in a prison fire, treasonweasels

03-05-2018 , 05:04 PM
ending hate one account at a time

03-05-2018 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
or perhaps they would have better paying jobs, if improved working conditions/compensation were made a part of US trade policy (or even less formal consumer practice)
Sure and if wishes were horses than even beggars would ride. You’d have to be delusional to think that a government controlled by the wealthy that has a 200 years history of promoting the interests of corporations is ever going to put something like that in a trade deal. Teachers in Oklahoma haven’t had a pay raise in 10 years. It got so bad that the schools had to shorten the school week to four days so teachers could get 2nd jobs at wal mart just to survive. It is illegal for teachers to go on strike in Oklahoma but it looks like they are going to anyway.

And you imagine a country where that happens would ever be interested in promoting the well being of Chinese laborers?
03-05-2018 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
Sounds like that was from a long time ago.

Wonder why Obama didn't do anything, other than illegally wiretap the Trump campaign?
I get why it happened. I mean, it's ****ty he didn't do anything but I get it. Obama had to spend 8 years with the right going into an absolute tizzy every time he sneezed, or ate fancy mustard, or wore a suit of a color they didn't like.

If he announced to the country that one of the presidential candidates (the one who in the binary decision we had was the 0 to his 1) was cheating, weeks before the election date, and possibly even announcing a pushback of the election while the cheating was looked into... it would have sparked an absolute frenzy from the right, one that may have led to severe violence.

I honestly don't know what I would have done. How much blood on your hands is acceptable in order to stop the rise of a cheater into the highest office in the land? Especially if your Intel is also telling you he's unlikely to win anyway?

It's a ****ing sticky wicket.
03-05-2018 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
Indeed, it does

Although the commie imperative is to force it on people one way or another until it seems like what they always wanted
I’m sure I’ve pointed it out before, but you have a startling lack of understanding about communism. Do you ever get tired of strawmanning it? Is your system of beliefs so fragile that you cannot engage with ideas on intellectually honest grounds?
03-05-2018 , 05:15 PM
Nah commie is about reprogramming people to believe the correct stuff. Just own it, you're almost assuredly in the moral right. My belief that people don't need fixin' is my religion, I acknowledge.

Contrarily Nazis want to kill people until only the right people are around. The same end goal though, fixing humans.


I'm not sure you're that kind of commie though. Digger definitely is.


I missed it at first but your comment itself was commie. Afraid of wrong think.

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