Strictly speaking antifa doing violence against a Fascist government would probably count as terrorism, but almost no one who is saying they are terrorists is using it this way.

It could be a good setup for a comeback.

Is there a unifying theory for why men die ~5 years earlier than women seemingly across a different races?

Does that number approach 0 in any demographics?

Yeah worth noting that the sentence “antifa is a domestic terrorist org” is incorrect in basically every particular

They aren’t even an “org” which is a pretty common situation among some of the scarier crazy people movements like the “sovereign citizen” movement, which also isn’t an organization so much as it is a loosely tied collection of people who believe some batshit crazy things

As should be obvious, it’s almost absurdly unconstitutional for the government to take collective action against a group based on believing crazy things

You called Kyle Rittenhouse a white supremacist a week ago. Still waiting for you to cite evidenced to that.

If certain people who believe those crazy things commit crimes they should be charged with crimes

At least some of it is caused by men being the majority of people in the work force. As women have begun joining the workforce after the past few decades their life expectancy has started to converge.

Men are collectively dumber than women and do dumber things

Yeah I mean I have already to have the discussion with vmf about the idea that things that he (and others like Trump, etc) think are organizations are not in the sense they thing they are. He seems to just be ignoring it because he doesn't have any response, though.

I kind of did want to bring up the concept of "criminal" that is getting thrown around.

It is often easy to substitute "criminal" in for "immoral" but it is worth remembering that a crime is just a political definition. Destroying property only makes you a because our government has chosen to define it that way. But of course thinking that committing a crime makes you a bad person is lazy. We know of countless things that constituted crime throughout history that none of us would ever consider wrong.

I already explained myself very clearly to you. I am not going to play 20 questions with a communist who thinks that he can go around burning peoples property and if they react, they are the evil and violent ones.

Men's health is also impacted by suicide rates (poor men's mental health systems), higher rate of heart disease as impacted by social norms.

We've also got that withered mutant Y chromosome.

Ok so yes, I completely avoided the “criminal” conversation to avoid going down that particular rabbit hole, but I agree with you

And at least in the case I was referencing above I was using criminal in the sense of breaking the law not in the sense of doing something immoral

Why are you lying? I never said any of this stuff.

VMF, you said that BLM was a marxist organization because you found one person who was involved with one part of BLM many years ago who said they were a marxist. I explained the flaw in that thinking and also that you had an incorrect understanding of BLM organizational structure. You never responded to this.

If you don't want to respond that is totally your prerogative. But then it is my prerogative to state that you did not respond.

I can never decide when mental health issues seem like legit reasons and when it is just kind of thrown around as a vague, abstract "excuse" (excuse not really the right word).

I'm sure mental health is real and important and affects suicide rates. How is mental health quantified?

Yeah sorry I know its not what you were saying. I was just throwing it out to offer context to the larger discourse.

setting aside mental health as it relates to suicide rates, having a social life and strong social ties correlates to lifespan and older men tend to be more isolated than older women

I agree with this, and hate when we write off mass shooters as mental health issues (especially when the killers are white).

I do think it's fair to say that higher suicide rates are likely due to worse mental health, although it's understandably vague. Stress? Societal standard of it being worse for men to cry/talk about things? It's definitely a vague term, and if there's a better term for it I'd be open.

Being isolated in a nursing home or similar at an old age is definitely a fear of mine.

I did work as a clinical dietitian for a few years in a dementia clinic. I don't have data here, just a bunch of anecdotes, but it was pretty amazing how much better health people were in that were able to stay social.

One of our primary interventions was to get people to eat together, and had really improved outcomes.

Isolation is rough.

This is one of those things where we need better language, and it brings up a lot of difficult questions around accountability for actions, because if you get to a point where you are spraying a crowd indiscriminately with bullets you are pretty clearly suffering from a mental health issue. So it’s not wrong to say it, but it’s not as if “mental health issue” is some kind of magic bullet that absolves the person from any responsibility for their actions.

Suicide is kinda the same thing but a different manifestation. If you take your own life you are clearly suffering from mental health issues, but that fact alone isn’t really explanatory imo

Agreed.

Yeah, as long as I had some sort of social outlet, I think I'd be fine in a nursing home type place when I'm older.

The threat of dementia/Alzheimer's is what terrifies me about getting old.

I don't like writing off mass shooters as a mental health problem but I think pointing out that they are white is only useful if you point out why they are white. They come almost entirely from incels and other far right and alt right wingnuts and reactionaries. The rise in mass shootings coincides with the rise in these ideas. Even before the era of trump and the era of youtube radicalizing young men, we had things like the Ecole Polytechnique massacre (killed a bunch of women at an engineering school and let the men go).