scott, there have been a lot of wolves getting lynched or near-lynched d1 without seer claims. we can't just assume they'll all go down swinging. be careful.

also, are we going to consider a swiitch wagon? i would like it to stick someday...

Btw, Luckay clearing Swiitch isn't really too weird no matter what his role is. Luckay and Swiitch tangled heavily in a couple of previous games. As it were, Luckay were wrong about him being a wolf in one of them, and dead on right about him being a wolf in the other one, so it seems he's spent some time calibrating his Swiitch-dar.

I agree with Luckay. That is to say, if Luckay's a wolf he's probably "honestly clearing" Swiitch (don't think he'd be protecting wolf-Swiitch like that, though possible I guess. Luckay can lay claim to be able to read Swiitch, so in the case of Swiitch being lynched wolf before Luckay, that'd make him look bad), and if he's villa he's probably reading Swiitch right.

On a completely unrelated note, what is everyone thinking about epi? Lack of involvement is neutral/wolf epi based on my limited sample size.

6:25pm
4v4v4v6 ack/vaya/wn/zeturd
ack: chim/clown/kyro/luckay
vaya: reno/shorty/zeturd/zurvan
wn: bob/scott/swiitch/books
zeturd: dustin/epi/mdd/nich/swiitch/wn

reno went vaya to wn
iy votes wn
ackbleh went books to vaya
books re-affirms wn vote
reno re-affirms wn vote b/c km hadn't captured it in countif
30 mins to night:
4v4v6v6 ack/vaya/wn/zeturd
ack: chim/clown/kyro/luckay
vaya: ack/shorty/zeturd/zurvan
wn: bob/iy/reno/scott/swiitch/books
zeturd: dustin/epi/mdd/nich/vaya/wn

ack is voting vaya instead of choosing between wn/zeturd
vaya is voting zeturd
wn is voting zeturd
zeturd is voting vaya instead of saving himself by voting wn

zeturd reaffirms vaya vote
bobman goes wn to zeturd
zeturd votes wn to save himself
clown goes ack to wn to make it a tiebreaker, saving zeturd

people who didn't vote: chuck
people who didn't vote a major wagon: fcbl (dustin), fnord (swiitch)
fnord was def around and posting, but wouldn't commit to any of the wagons, so he gets minor wolf points...if zeturd is wolf, then he gets more wolf points, as then he didn't wanna damn ze or save ze
i think ze actually gets some villa points for the way the wagons went down...not much activity late and wolves coulda jumped onto ack/vaya to make them a more meaningful wagon if ack/vaya are villas
if ze is a wolf, then reno/iy/clown look worse for the latest votes on wn...bob is villa if ze is wolf

if all 4 are villas, then wolves are scattered amongst all 4 wagons...if 1+ of them comes up wolf, then we can figure out the likely breakdown of where wolves voted once we know that info

i think zeturd should be another wagon today...we learn a lot about roles if he's wolf, and even more after today's wagon action

ok, zurvan only made 11 posts yesterday, and they point to him peeking vaya=wolf

so that's the REASON that the wolves killed him...so the question is whether they killed him because he was right or because they wanted to get vaya lynched today

for now, a vaya wagon is a great idea to gain more info and give us more info about yesterday's wagons as well, so i like it

this is a good reread of zurvan. if he was a seer hunt, i would expect vaya to come up wolf. also, i really don't get shorty wanting to get a swiitch wagon. this seems to be his attempting a new villaging style. i don't expect him to bust this out as a wolf

This is very suspicious. Maybe the wolves had this EXACT train of thought. How can you say that this is the REASON that they killed him when the wolves' thoughts would be so similar? Is it really that easy, that the wolves would kill somebody as a "setup" kill because Vaya = Wolf MAY have been the view? No...I still think Zurvan got killed squarely because of this post:

Zurvan clearing Dustin for this reason is ridiculous - something that wolves look for when hunting for seers.

I find it EXTREMELY EXTREMELY suspicious that you'd buy in so quick to Vaya = Wolf without even considering this point of view.

this is a ridiculous post by reno. is that really a good reread of zurvan? and, its not like this is new info, this has been stated multiple times already (about zurv and his posts)
reno is a wolf
book it

ok, went back and looked at vaya's posts to test my theory about wolves leveling

the thing is, usually wolves will level with a good target for the next day, but that isn't vaya

a) he was already a wagon so gone by end-game anyway
b) he wasn't hinting at having peeked someone wolf
c) he isn't one of the common 'get them dead asap' players


see, if someone hints strongly at an actual wolf, then wolves have 2 options: eat them or lynch them

if they eat them, then that wolf is basically dead, which sucks if they were wrong and the person was just strongly confident in a read

so that leaves lynching them (see vaya wagon yesterday)...if unsuccessful, then they can eat someone that damns vaya in order to get him lynched (or claim) today...so they eat zurvan

but since vaya didn't strongly hint at a wolf peek, that's off the table

therefore, vaya is likely a wolf and the wolves were on an odd level, eating zurvan because he went after vaya

This in reference to dustin = not clear at all that vaya = wolf was the "peek". Shorty is a wolf, ship it.

Detective ScottHoward solves another case!
(this post is serious)

he wasn't hunted for 'clearing' dustin

he CLEARLY stated that dustin=villager hinged on swiitch's role...that it was only b/c he believed in swiitch's role that he thought dustin was villa

if anything, make the argument that he had peeked swiitch, but not that he peeked dustin


and i considered both points of view: that vaya was wolf and that vaya was setup kill

can anybody tell me why nich is rewriting all my posts?

What?

Shorty if you could somehow manage to start an ackbleh wagon I'd concider the semi-angleshoot to clear you?

someone is going to have to explain to me where i angleshot

this is hilariously skewed

i hadn't had a chance to post today, and you know from the 12343432 standard games we've played together that I don't post much early on until we get actual INFO and DATA POINTS to work with

you are just sttttreeeeeetttcccchhhhiinnngggg to find a reason to vote me here...get heat on me today, build up a wagon, ensure that i have to die before must-lynch

u were upset d1 that nobody wanted to vote me like the standard is, so now u are pushing today to ensure it happens early on

Well I don't even remember if it was you but if you get the ackbleh wagon going I'd just pretend it was you?

Nich
NICH
NICH

i think you're a wolf so i want to lynch you

or at the very least get some interaction here with you and see whats going on

but yeah

still Nich
nich

Nich's post in response to mine doesn't really address any of the points that I made, which is that this isn't villager Nich.

also, when i'm a wolf, i make sure i do the things that people think are "villager nich" so that i don't get that heat...so me not doing things like mentioning LOCK and such doesn't make me a wolf...and i think you KNOW that as well, dustin