I will at least not play any ww game in which thediceman/magic_gazz is in

he was modkilled as a wolf for not posting, when doing so would have made it ML the following day, possibly win outright depending on the village vig shot (les mis). wolves ended up losing.

there's also a 13er where he conceded on d2 after nk'ing the seer on n1 (great artists) and another 13er where he conceded on d2 (russians are coming).

besides his general disposition being extremely unpleasant and he complete and utter WIL I never got the sense he was cheating or anything

Thanks.

Not going to get in any arguments with people, I doubt I will change any opinions.

Will just say that while some of you may not get on with me or like my style of play I do not have any ill feelings to any of you no matter what is said in game.

I know there a lot of people mad at me for the magic_gazz stuff and rightly so.

All I can say is that I have had this account for over a year and not caused any problems, if I had you would have all heard about it already.

I am going to be completely hypocritical here but...

If people say he hasnt done the sort of things that got him banned before, then I have no problem letting him stay, but, and this is a huge but, I don't want to play in a game with him personally. He was one of the most abrasive players, with zero remorse for the things he did, that I have ever played with.

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Yeah you guys crushed that one.

you were in the chat where the Maghazi investigation went down. and you left after i called you out for cheating in this game

fyi while we're on the topic, and while you're saying i "'lack class", did you apologize to your teammates and the game mod for the underhanded way in which you attempted to circumvent the rules to get yourself clear? seems you're being real stubborn about it and hoping people forget.

As someone who was in russians are coming and alluded to it earlier: the wolf concession in that game had more to do with the wolves getting utterly destroyed than anything else

they had 0% to win at the time of their concession

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Unpleasant <> ban

Why is this even a discussion? Perma him again and move on.

can we perma leo while we are at it

He's been far more than just unpleasant.

Okay, this seems promising. I appreciate the introduction of other games to consider, please continue doing that sort of thing. Anecdotes are helpful.

dice, I appreciate the candor.

I am going to go play basketball and then try to come to a resolution with Moocher and WN tonight, if we can (based on availability).

If I come back from basketball to a mess of insults and cursing and completely unacceptable nonsense, there will be bans. I don't like clicking that button. It is my sincere belief that POG has moved beyond that and that we are, collectively, able to work through community issues in a productive and beneficial way. Please prove me right.

when he is already banned and the question is whether we should unban, unpleasantness would seem to be a relevant consideration.

Aaaaaaaaaaaids

His names Uncle D

Afraid to change reads

I have no opinion yet. Everyone wait for me to be done eating before this discussion continues.

Thanks in advance.

In seriousness, what's the case? He gives up as a wolf too easily?

Let us not forget that Magic is also responsible for this game ending in a tie...:

forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59/puzzles-other-games/1-26-dr-seuss-sneetches-death-vanilla-game-1158419/

Because he was accidentally mod spewed the last wolf in skype and then went to thread and posted with said info.

sick read by Stevie

diceman on his own merits has done some annoying stuff that on its own does not merit any form of actual ban -- though, http://checkmywwstats.com/index.php?...yer=thediceman -- 5 wolf games, one MK for non posting and two d2 concessions is pretty gross now that I look. That's a definite pattern of game disruption, albeit on a much less flashy scale than before.

He's, to put it politely, rather abrasive, but a lot of people are and that's not a capital offense.

If it is completely confirmed he is magic_gazz, I want him nowhere near any werewolf game I ever play or mod, ever, full stop, don't care about the behavior as diceman.

I know POG is famous for its Steve Howe style second chances. Don't. I mean, what's the honest line you would give a random POGger on "if we let magic_gazz come play again, what are the chances he is going to totally **** up a game at some point in a really major way"? -1500 or so?

It's not like the original banning was a snap decision made lightly. If we were at the level of "OK, this is really really your final warning" that would be one thing. It's my understanding there was already the final final warning and it took him approximately seven minutes (exaggeration not as slight as you might think) to violate it.

Of course this would set a precedent as to whether one can continually circumvent a ban and keep participating on a new gimmick.

Though if he was an upstanding poster under the new persona I would legitimately use my judgment and reconsider the ban

For all we know Leonardo DiCaprio is starrazz. If that's true I'd make the judgment to let him play.

or the WSoWW game where he 0 posted at f5