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10-09-2009 , 07:38 AM
so dustin laughs at me and calls me stupid for calling him wolfy for 1 of his posts.

Then he calls me wolfy for 1 of my posts and has had blinders on since then, refusing to do anything but simply vote me for the past couple of days.

I expect dustin to put a little more work into the game as eithier role so the blinders thing is confusing me,
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10-09-2009 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Telcontar
unvote for a reread. think i might rather go for someone else
ty are you a wolf
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10-09-2009 , 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DiggertheDog
Knowing that there are 75 players and the nature of the books.
Realistically we should be expecting signalling from not only wolves but also
Masons, lost villas - like Tao intimated - as well as neutrals.

- therefore I think it is important to contextualise the possibility of the signalling with the other posts and the possible intent of the signal.....
- I would rate the signal of the noobs in a different light to those that were coming from more experienced players as an example

- Drontiers was moderately bad.....say 6/10
KRM = KeanuReaver Mason

no sense in me not coming out at this point since without digger im more or less vanilla barring weird circumstances. we've had a ton of run bad as well but at least 3 of our 4 peeks are still alive

n1 peek: tao1 = human
n2 peek: Old Man Willow = human
n3 peek: WinEveryRacex = elf/dwarf
n4 peek: Globetrotter = other

we discussed for a while on whether or not a wizard would peek human or other, when we asked the mod he said "well, is a wizard human?" and, according to lore, technically no. so we have to assume gandalf and saruman would both peek other so human should almost clear tao and omw and globe should have a lot of suspicion now even though other can cover a reasonable amount of good roles.

anyway, one thing we discussed also was that we feel we're against a really strong experienced wolf pack so we were hoping vigs would target people like bitchibee/zeturd/dustin/oti etc.

i'll even start it off
Zeturd
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10-09-2009 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ElliotR
OK, guys, I have to take my sone to the doctor. The appointment is at 250pm (it is 150pm here now). I SHOULD be able to check in before EOD but you never know.

I believe it is more likely than not that coordi is telling the truth. We may still have no choice but to lynch him. But in case we don't I think we should lynch the GF instead.
in hindsight this looks wolfy to me

also i think it was thingyman who both said that they i think it was thingy man both said that they thought that coordi was inocent but also gave super weak reasons as to why to kill him anyway hello it frodo here not unimportant character.
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10-09-2009 , 08:04 AM
wormtongue=human though

and the men from the east were human but joined forces with sauron. So peeking human doesn't neccesarily clear someone.
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10-09-2009 , 08:09 AM
oh yeah definitely, human was one of the worst outcomes we could have received
we were hoping hobbit or elf/dwarf pretty much always but like i said we didn't run very well
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10-09-2009 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Andrex Puppy
ty are you a wolf
nope. I want the bastards dead just as much as anyone else. well anyone else who is a villager
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10-09-2009 , 08:18 AM
Ok, I've been rereading G1982. I've tried to go in this reread with a blanc state of midn and not already having him sentenced to death in my head

There are a few things that stick out imo. First of all, he is not exactly clearing people left and right. Now, take a look at this post from the LOST game (I vividly remember it because I thought, damn he is right on the money when it comes to me!):

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Originally Posted by G1982
Nearly caught up... I thought defence of Thingyman was a pretty obvious way for a wolf to get villa points if Thingy was villa. It just seemed odd that you did it straight after Felix did the same - whether that makes you or Felix more likely to be a wolf is open to debate, but you seemed the wolfiest of the two in the villages general opinion. I'm not claiming a watertight case here, but I couldn't find anyone else I preferred. If you were a wolf, I don't see why you don't kill me rather than ILB last night though unless you really have a strong reason for me not being seer so I'm not gunning for you today.

Also after I made my post, your list of wolves/villagers is full of wolves - for comparison, see JonnyD's list in #602 which has one wolf and five(ish?) vilagers. I am very much of the "Wolves find wolves and villagers find villagers" school of thought as a general rule of thumb.
Ok, sir..lets see how much villagers you can find.

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Originally Posted by G1982
I am the first person to push lynching people for signals (I pushed FCBL in LOST and even though he was a wolf it wasn't a signal!) but it is POG -EV to lynch newbies even though it is +EV in a game sense. (I think someone else Atak(?) has said this in another game I've been in and it makes sense.) I doubt letting Drontier live an extra day in a 75 man turbo is going to seriously impede our chances.

McAvoy is being his normal self and I think it makes the game more fun.

Not much time tonight so voting Housenuts because I don't like the other two wagons. Would love a better reason, but meh - I will try harder when the player list decreases a bit.
Being really at peace here, not causing a stir. G was way more erratic and nosy as a villager. Here he is nice to the newb, and nice to Mac. Makes himself not really accountable for the Housenuts wagon. Very lazy vote. Goes with the flow, didnt even mention Housenuts before (it was really a mystery to me why House was a a wagon that day. I did vote him, but just because I was even more sure that Dront was a villager).

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Originally Posted by G1982
Also, just in case anyone is looking for a mason - I have been lost mason in my last two games (LOST and GB) and it would be possible (but I have not been informed) that my character is a lost mason in this game too. If you have no better options - maybe you should try masonning me? I don't want to give my character away so I will not be hinting at my role either now or in the future.
Cool. A later statement makes this post sketchy. I'll come back to that.

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Originally Posted by G1982
drontier

The hint was bad, but only one poisoning was fatal. It is incredibly plausible that a village role blocker chose potential Shelob for his night action. The chance that a wolf role blocker soulread Legolas on n1 of a 75 man turbo is less plausible. Other possibilities including lucky angels etc are similarly unlikely.

Question we should be asking:
Should the healer be healing Sun or letting him die? Note that the poisoning was probably carried out by Legolas using the reasoning above so at least one villager thinks he should die.
Being VERY definite here. Fatal. Dront has to die. He found a wolf. Bad logic too, he is assuming too much and not critical (Shelob might choose to not poison to set up Dront).

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Originally Posted by G1982
Surely the "good" characters are those in the list on page 1, but your way of working out alignment works too I guess...
Discrediting some of Diggers work, but not in a "I call you wolf" type of way. I think villagers in general appreciate the post Digger made. Posting just to post soemthing also comes to mind. Meh, the post is not too bad but its not really good either. Neutral?

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Originally Posted by G1982
For the record, if our seer did choose to peek the top wagon on both d1 and d2, I think he should suicide just to stop failing so hard. There was no way Drontier was going to survive long enough for a seer peek to save him if he is villager.

Saying that, WER's roleblock strategy sounds good as does Legolas poisoning him. Let's do this instead. Alternatively, if our seers want to ignore me, please go ahead and all peek Drontier.

Also Pyro as Sauron would be sick - he just led a wagon on a villager based on a pretty weak argument which got massive support over a wagon on a possible Shelob. All this talk about top 5 candidates for Sauron sounds like he has the Dark Lord on his brain.

Let's go Pyromaniac
This Pyro vote shows some erraticness but also has a joky feel to it. Again, not naming any villagers.

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Originally Posted by G1982
I am astonished at the amount of fail in this game. Ewalsh claimed Ent so ZOMG he is a villa does not work - read the above.

Also Gandalf in not a NPC - it is either a role of an actual good guy or an unfilled role which has been given to the wolves. Discussing crazy ideas is anti village at this point.

Also I'm pretty sure mod confirmed we have only one healer and even if not, it wouldn't make much sense to have two (plus how would you coordinate them?). Therefore everyone saying we should heal both - you get to choose one then we potentially have to choose one from three tomorrow. I think we need to be talking about which one to save.
He doesnt want to find villagers -- he wants to hide them. He quotes the thingy from the Mod where its said that evils have safe claims. It clearly doesnt specify that the evils will also get writeups of all other roles in the game. Which would be ridic and G should know this.

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Originally Posted by G1982
Power role hunting ITT? AAk's son hasn't really come up on my radar yet, but lots of people think he is wolfy and posts like this don't help his cause.

Looks like my epic Pyromaniac = Sauron read will have to be saved for me to gloat over at the end of the game as I need to consolidate the wagons.

AAronk56's Son
Finding wolves. At this point, he hasnt cleared one villager yet.

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Originally Posted by G1982
I understand now about EWalsh - I should be reading more carefully! I suppose the wolves could have got a full role description with a peek(?) but I would think that is a longshot. Ewalsh is officially village then!

I haven't played much with either Cadaz or Felix, but I've heard Felix has a pretty good reputation here but I haven't heard much about Cadaz. Maybe Legolas should be targetting more prominent people so we have something to discuss!
To Aries, who calls him out for his "We cant clear Ewalsh" bs. Last part seems fillerish. Not really figuring stuff out imo.

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Originally Posted by G1982
Good plan, good villager!
To Kukra. If G is a wolf, this is slightly good for Kukra iyam.

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Originally Posted by G1982
Coordi obv - the chances of FCBL happening to peek Frodo early in a 75 man game and Frodo being a miller seem remote - especially since Coordi did not appear to know that he was a miller. Conversely, Frodo is an excellent role for an outed wolf to claim as it might get the real Frodo to reveal himself.

I see I'm the second wagon. I don't see how my mason thing on d1 was wolfy - I did nearly exactly the same as a villager in GB and nobody tried to lynch me for it. I wish I could call Kukra wolfy for suspecting me, but he seems villagery to me. The others on my wagon, I don't really know. I never found a mason so unfortunately there is nobody to clear me, but hopefully as the player list diminishes, I will be able to participate more and clear myself.

I realise my AKS vote seemed wolfy after PVN was lynched, but I'm still hoping for AKS to come up wolf which would clear me somewhat.
WHAT! G has played on the dreaded site where Millers are more common. Millers dont know that they are Miller. Also, AKs is another confirmed villager that was hunted by G.

Second highlighted: I would come back to this. It clearly shows that G can make his earlier mason post as a means to score villagepoints.

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Originally Posted by G1982
Coordi is the obvious lynch today - failing to reveal his peeks when one suicide bomber has already detonated is the final nail in his coffin.

GF - similarly to AKS, has got heat so far but being counter wagons to PVN makes both less likely to be wolves imo. To be honest, it is all I can do to keep up reading the thread at this time. There are too many people for me to be able to make many reads of my own. I certainly agree with Tao that I would rather lynch the UTRs (Yes - I know this includes me!) than active players at this point as we need players who have the time for analysis and until the thread gets to a maximum of 20-30 people, I am not going to be that person. (Don't get me wrong - I am enjoying being part of this epic game, but don't expect me to be bringing my A game.)
Again. Coordi is an obvious lynch. He wanst obvious. G doesnt want to hear it, doesnt wnat to talk to Coordi. He messed up and should die. This kind of stubborness (not accounting for other options) is really wolfy.

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Originally Posted by G1982
This is probably true - but I am spending pretty much all my available WW time just reading the thread. At least I have potential to get better (OK - I'm not up to Soah standard yet but my wolf hunting is improving with every game) as the number of players reduces. There are a lot of UTR players who will not.
Andddd there we are. Numbe rof village leans provided = 0. Number of possible wolves = lots. How about you follow your own theory and vote yourself G? I'm not putting my WW retirement at stake for this one, but it ouwld hurt a great deal if he aint a wolf.

G1982
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10-09-2009 , 08:20 AM
thats true if someone is peeked as human then it doesnt mean that there a villa however at this stage id say that its good enough andb there so many wolf atm that youd be far better of just lynching a rand rather then a human unless they seemed super dodge.
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10-09-2009 , 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by KeanuReaver
KRM = KeanuReaver Mason

no sense in me not coming out at this point since without digger im more or less vanilla barring weird circumstances. we've had a ton of run bad as well but at least 3 of our 4 peeks are still alive

n1 peek: tao1 = human
n2 peek: Old Man Willow = human
n3 peek: WinEveryRacex = elf/dwarf
n4 peek: Globetrotter = other

we discussed for a while on whether or not a wizard would peek human or other, when we asked the mod he said "well, is a wizard human?" and, according to lore, technically no. so we have to assume gandalf and saruman would both peek other so human should almost clear tao and omw and globe should have a lot of suspicion now even though other can cover a reasonable amount of good roles.

anyway, one thing we discussed also was that we feel we're against a really strong experienced wolf pack so we were hoping vigs would target people like bitchibee/zeturd/dustin/oti etc.

i'll even start it off
Zeturd
Meh. Too bad. I already had you as clear in my mind but I guess it cant hurt. Tao and OMW peeking human does score them villagepoints though. Do people have any idea what Glode could be?
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10-09-2009 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by OnThInIcE911
sorry drunk and forgot a few letters

def not claiming wolf as I am a villager with a completely useless role now
Talk to me about this. What do you mean?
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10-09-2009 , 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by BombayBadboy
Meh. Too bad. I already had you as clear in my mind but I guess it cant hurt. Tao and OMW peeking human does score them villagepoints though. Do people have any idea what Glode could be?
i read Keanus post and was thinkingabout it while getting ready. I dont think we should do anything with globe today. The wolves already know if he is a good/bad guy, and if he is good, more likely than not, they will clarify the situation through a NK, as "other" has plenty of meaning to them. If Globe is alive for the next couple days, we can then decide if we need to lynch him.

I think I agree that Tao and OMW cant be wagoned without a very strong read/claim anytime in the future, I would put them 3rd and 4th after Time and Goofy.

I like your case on G1982, I remember him being very aggro in other games, but he hasnt really caught my attention in this game. I still dont think he is our #1 best choice, but on a double lynch day, go for it.
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10-09-2009 , 08:38 AM
************** MOD NOTE **************

I thought that I would explain a few things, so as not to confuse anyone.

From here on out, The Ring-Bearer will always be in Mordor. This was just my way of giving Sauron immunity until Day 4. I didn't want Sauron to die on the first day.

My write-up of Frodo's death was my attempt at fiction. If Butterbur would have peeked coordi, he would have gotten back Frodo Baggin's full role PM. COORDI DID NOT PEEK AS EVIL, ldo.
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10-09-2009 , 08:40 AM
Well, if that is the case: FCBL, WTF?
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10-09-2009 , 08:42 AM
To be honest, I didnt think it really bore discussion but after his role reveal it was obvious he wasnt a miller. Mr Underhill was how he checked into the hotel at the beginning of the quest (the prancing pony??) where they met Aragorn.
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10-09-2009 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by J.D.
i read Keanus post and was thinkingabout it while getting ready. I dont think we should do anything with globe today. The wolves already know if he is a good/bad guy, and if he is good, more likely than not, they will clarify the situation through a NK, as "other" has plenty of meaning to them. If Globe is alive for the next couple days, we can then decide if we need to lynch him.

I think I agree that Tao and OMW cant be wagoned without a very strong read/claim anytime in the future, I would put them 3rd and 4th after Time and Goofy.

I like your case on G1982, I remember him being very aggro in other games, but he hasnt really caught my attention in this game. I still dont think he is our #1 best choice, but on a double lynch day, go for it.
Its more complicated than that.
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10-09-2009 , 08:46 AM
BBB that was a very through analysis of G1982 .. i think you have some excellent point

G1982
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10-09-2009 , 08:46 AM
thorough*
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10-09-2009 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by mrs. jonnyd
BBB that was a very through analysis of G1982 .. i think you have some excellent point

G1982
compeltely agree with this.

G1982
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10-09-2009 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by BombayBadboy
Its more complicated than that.
that could quite possibly be true...i am merely trying to share my thoughts, and open it for discussion.
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10-09-2009 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by J.D.
that could quite possibly be true...i am merely trying to share my thoughts, and open it for discussion.
Ya, i was not trying to criticize.

However, my innervoice says you are a wolf yet again.
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10-09-2009 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by mrs. jonnyd
BBB that was a very through analysis of G1982 .. i think you have some excellent point

G1982
Hi.

Don't think we've talked before. Welcome to WW and POG and everything. Must be quite an overwhelming game for your first.

That being said: who are your top 5 villagers right now? This can help a great deal in getting you and/ or others cleared.
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10-09-2009 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by KeanuReaver
KRM = KeanuReaver Mason
no sense in me not coming out at this point since without digger im more or less vanilla barring weird circumstances. we've had a ton of run bad as well but at least 3 of our 4 peeks are still alive
n1 peek: tao1 = human
n2 peek: Old Man Willow = human
n3 peek: WinEveryRacex = elf/dwarf
n4 peek: Globetrotter = other
we discussed for a while on whether or not a wizard would peek human or other, when we asked the mod he said "well, is a wizard human?" and, according to lore, technically no. so we have to assume gandalf and saruman would both peek other so human should almost clear tao and omw and globe should have a lot of suspicion now even though other can cover a reasonable amount of good roles.
anyway, one thing we discussed also was that we feel we're against a really strong experienced wolf pack so we were hoping vigs would target people like bitchibee/zeturd/dustin/oti etc.
i'll even start it off
Zeturd
Globetrotter
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10-09-2009 , 09:25 AM
Anyone have any thoughts about cadiz before he dies from poision?
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10-09-2009 , 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by riverfish1
so dustin laughs at me and calls me stupid for calling him wolfy for 1 of his posts.

Then he calls me wolfy for 1 of my posts and has had blinders on since then, refusing to do anything but simply vote me for the past couple of days.

I expect dustin to put a little more work into the game as eithier role so the blinders thing is confusing me,
lol you really are a wolf

blinders?!!? lolololol

you've made like 30 posts in this game

so how can I possibly have blinders?

thats not how blinders work
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