sixfour - zeturd
sun tzu - zeturd
rake16 - zeturd
Then...
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Originally Posted by AriesRam
Re-reading ollie, this post feels strange. When Ollie had posted in the thread Tuesday, there had been some lynch epi talk prior to that, but at that time FCBL was ahead of epi in the voting. KM had even posted a count right before ollie was posting. And Ollie had not mentioned epi when he was posting d2.
To jump in the next day and claim you thought epi would be lynched, when that was not even clear, and you yourself did nothing to help the cause feels like you are trying to claim credit for knowign epi was wolf after the fact.
So ollie, why did you think epi was being lynched d2?
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Originally Posted by AriesRam
Ollie.
Sixfour - What posts of mine do you think were wolfy? Also, can you explain why you voted fcbl d2 over epi after having defended fcbl d1 and d2. I know you made a post saying it looked like fcbl might be bussing rake, but was there anything more?
KKC - Who do you think we should wagon today?
His justification for voting ollie seems fair enough. But it's almost as if he isn't aware of the dynamics of the thread. There are three people voting me, and he doesn't even mention that when voting ollie? And even though the vote seems rational enough in terms of justification it's not something he's pushing. In a way, it seems more like a 'pressure vote' to get ollie to answer his questions. Which, come to think of it, is a little villagery.
That said, both posts feel wolfy on tone to me. There's this thin veneer of faux curiosity in the way he's phrasing his questions. Kinda like he's more interested in asking the questions, rather than getting them answered.
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Originally Posted by AriesRam
I still have a bunch of players I think are villagers. Ollie is not one of them, and I want to pressure him a little. Also I want to get others reactions to my post about him.
ZT is a good vote. Mostly by process of elimination.
I think soah, KKC, rake and 64 have been villagery on tone all game, although as mentioned, I would like to hear 64's explanation of the fcbl vote.
FCBL seems clear due to how epi died. VR is the most likely peek. Sun gets village points for mike's death.
Aard, who knows? I could not argue against his lynch, and would vote him before all the people in the preceding 2 paragraphs.
Again, the way he just briefly mentions me like I'm not the main topic of the conversation at that point (what with being the top wagon) is odd. Process of elimination? Really, that's all you had on me at the time?
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Originally Posted by AriesRam
[Manually edited in the quoted posts]
"Originally Posted by sixfour View Post
wait, cancel that, fcbl i don't want to call a sure villager yet
"Originally Posted by sixfour View Post
fcbl is nowhere near a lock villager. i'm leaning villager fairly strongly, but to call him a lock is ridic"
"Originally Posted by sixfour View Post
tone. that's basically all you can go off on d1 unless someone's contradicted themselves straight away or something. he did make one post that i thought was bad which is why i downgraded him"
"Originally Posted by sixfour View Post
exactly one, or at least? fcbl's vote earlier had a tone of "i'm not afraid of bussing rake, honest" about it imo"
The first two posts are from d1 and the others are d2. It struck me as strange that you had defended fcbl to some degree, and had not mentioned epi, and then voted fcbl. I hope you see how this looks, given that epi is wolf, and fcbl is a very likely villager.
Either way, I thought it wold have been pretty obvious that I was not trying to link you to fcbl. My point was that you made a vote that had the effect of saving a wolf, when your posts prior to that looked like you thought fcbl was village.
And I did mention you had made that post.
The slightly odd thing here is that Aries himself voted FCBL on D2. It's been mentioned more than once that there's likely to be a wolf among the FCBL voters before epi claimed. That happens to be me, 64 and Aries. If Aries thinks I'm being lynched that day (and he's certainly not fighting it) he'll pretty much know that 64/Aries is likely to be on the table the day after. The exchange does feel a little like he's preemptively started the battle. 64's reaction feels pretty villagery.
I also think that if Aries=wolf he's pretty much spewed FCBL=villa by now, unless he's engaging in some very tricky leveling.
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Originally Posted by AriesRam
My point, which I have tried to articulate a couple times, is that fcbl gets lynched there a lot. Especially when epi leaves early, with his vote on fcbl. And the fact that epi would not know if fcbl would be back to defend himself. (I believe 100% that fcbl was being honest with his estimate that he would be gone for the day). That puts a lot of pressure on the other two wolves to get fcbl off the hook, which risks outting them. Your scenario is possible, but not likely.
I was too busy defending myself at the time to really think about this.
Is FCBL really more likely to be lynched when epi is voting him? That's just odd to me. It should be the other way around. I know I argued that lynching FCBL was fine since I was pretty much totally wrong about epi, but I mean, I don't think epi could assume that I'd be his champion after he claimed, lol. "Playing by the book", we shouldn't lynch epi or anyone he's voting for, so in reality it works the other way. Don't know what to make of it though.
Also, this reminds me that Aries should answer the question I posted to him right before/after night yesterday. Why did he vote FCBL on D2 (Tuesday) knowing that FCBL probably wouldn't be around much, if at all?
Aries leaves for the day with some critical posts directed towards ollie which I guess is slight villa points since it might have helped flip the balance a little, but the posts do not read like they couldn't have been written by a wolf, and they were made
after ollie made that horrible post of his where he was evaluating zhaorx' chance of being a wolf and my D1. Btw, ollie going 75% wolf on me there, what with me/ollie being the two wagons, looks pretty good for me I think. Odd that he didn't vote me though.