HUSH: Limited Posting GAME THREAD
I had to lol at this.
Please lynch zurvan after I get mislynched.
@ soah - the last comment about you being eager to ww meant that I though you were villa and you were excited to be back playing again. I'm not calling you a wolf. I'm leaning villa fwiw.
I'm going to be semi useless in this game (not that I'm all that useful in other games). I just cannot process these megalong posts well. I'll do my best, but I'll probably just read the cases on the top wagons and make a choice.
Seriously, if I get mislynched, please lynch zurvan.
Bigger is still a wolf
BEG name dropped him as a suspect once but never mentioned him again. That's additional points against him.
Also, there was somebody that I wanted to check out based on the results of the BEG lynch, but I forget who, and I'm not going to have time to do it soon - probably not until Sunday night or Monday, really. If I get an hour I'll go back & see in the other thread, because I def posted it.
BEG name dropped him as a suspect once but never mentioned him again. That's additional points against him.
Also, there was somebody that I wanted to check out based on the results of the BEG lynch, but I forget who, and I'm not going to have time to do it soon - probably not until Sunday night or Monday, really. If I get an hour I'll go back & see in the other thread, because I def posted it.
I'm going to be semi useless in this game (not that I'm all that useful in other games). I just cannot process these megalong posts well. I'll do my best, but I'll probably just read the cases on the top wagons and make a choice.
Seriously, if I get mislynched, please lynch zurvan.
starting a metswagon when you are smart enough to know that
1 - you werent going to get enough steam to get it rolling with 50 posts left on day 1
2 - you know im an awful day 1 lynch. If im a wolf, ill spew eventually. But as a villager, you know i work hard, you know i find wolves, why would you lynch me day 1? It makes no sense. If you didnt know me very well, id accept it maybe. But you should know better
3 - I wasnt heated that you decided to vote dkgo i was heated that you would start a metswagon out of the blue when you knew it was dumb and wouldnt work. its as if you just wanted a crossfire or something. Either that, or all my lists were so deadonballs accurate that you got a scared or something
So now you reread, and all of the sudden you agree with soah. What are your thoughts on dkgo now? You voted him yesterday as you were sure he was wolfier than browneyed girl. Browneyed girl coming up wolf made you reevaluate that?
Nez -- what do you think of Sixfours first post today say gg vote mets.
Do you still think im a wolf? What are your thoughts on Sixfour?
i have to say i find it confusing that you found me suspicious because, like you, i didnt think BEG was a wolf, and yet unlike you, i voted her to avoid crossfire and put some distance between her wagon and dkgo's when i reconsidered my theory on him. you also talk up my "defense of BEG", when actually i made a couple of soft points in her favour and then went after dkgo. granted, the sum total of that was favourable to BEG, but its still a mischaracterisation that doesnt fill me with confidence about you.
dont get me wrong, i wouldnt expect those who've played with me a bunch to give me vill pts for what went down late in d1 because they've seen me go after a lot of fellow wolves when evil. but given that we lack that history, i dont see how a legitimate thought process can go, "we both soft defended BEG on d1, he voted for BEG late while i didnt, so BEG and him were probably wolves together."
honeybee
dont get me wrong, i wouldnt expect those who've played with me a bunch to give me vill pts for what went down late in d1 because they've seen me go after a lot of fellow wolves when evil. but given that we lack that history, i dont see how a legitimate thought process can go, "we both soft defended BEG on d1, he voted for BEG late while i didnt, so BEG and him were probably wolves together."
honeybee
My issue with you is when reading your posts yesterday regarding BEG, it feels like you are trying to not only save BEG...but distance yourself. Its the tone. I am aware that often times my reads are really bad, but I am going to note that you are suspect to me. And perhaps no one will notice or agree with me. But I owe it to the village to put what I think out there.
Elliot
Also willing to lynch: epicurus, biggerboat
In other news: I'm probably the worst wolf hunter in this game and I enjoy reading soah so I'm just going to sponge for at least another game day. :P
Also willing to lynch: epicurus, biggerboat
In other news: I'm probably the worst wolf hunter in this game and I enjoy reading soah so I'm just going to sponge for at least another game day. :P
LOL...I'm a lock for villager. Guarantee my posts on d1 never occur as a wolf. You can think otherwise, but you'd be crazy to do so.
Dustin thinkin I'm a wolf is loltastic, and prolly enhances the chances that he's a wolf, but I'm not ready to commit to this wholeheartedly yet.
I'll review voting from yesterday, but I'm pretty sure that dkgo can't be a wolf, and Mac looks shady for switching to him and then switching back to BEG when he realized there was no chance that BEG doesn't get lynched.
Anyhoo, to re-iterate, I'm seer and I should again be protected from rand-lynch + nk.
N0 = soah = villa
N1 = chuckles = villa
Dustin thinkin I'm a wolf is loltastic, and prolly enhances the chances that he's a wolf, but I'm not ready to commit to this wholeheartedly yet.
I'll review voting from yesterday, but I'm pretty sure that dkgo can't be a wolf, and Mac looks shady for switching to him and then switching back to BEG when he realized there was no chance that BEG doesn't get lynched.
Anyhoo, to re-iterate, I'm seer and I should again be protected from rand-lynch + nk.
N0 = soah = villa
N1 = chuckles = villa
I'll not be around 2 much today. back tomorrow.
Vague reread of yesterday makes me want to lynch:
Biggerboat, Zurvan, Nez, chuckles, vaugely got my eye on dusting, would not hate a mets wagon, books is a wolf,
and not want to lynch:
WN, Soah, Epi, OrangeRake, 64, M1ke
blowing hot and cold on Nich.
also: i'd forgotten how attractive Cordelia was.
Chuckles
Vague reread of yesterday makes me want to lynch:
Biggerboat, Zurvan, Nez, chuckles, vaugely got my eye on dusting, would not hate a mets wagon, books is a wolf,
and not want to lynch:
WN, Soah, Epi, OrangeRake, 64, M1ke
blowing hot and cold on Nich.
also: i'd forgotten how attractive Cordelia was.
Chuckles
First thought: kokiri seems to be making random lists?
Second thought: As I lay in bed last night I was thinking I should be able to figure out Nez's role solely based on him coming out and voting Elliot for me today. However, I'm not ready to commit to a decision. But I'm having a hard time convincing myself that he's a wolf (and a much harder time convincing myself that he and Elliot could both be wolves).
Third thought: Yesterday bigger was claiming to be sure Zurvan was a wolf based on their experiences as wolves together a couple weeks ago. At the time he had picked out a specific post as the basis for. Now, it didn't actually ever make sense to me, but his insistence seemed a little bit villagery. However, it's gone downhill since then. One of the most striking things about that game was that a bunch of the wolves, including Zurvan, were adamant about never voting for a fellow wolf, regardless of the situation. At one point, the player that Zurvan was voting for claimed seer, and yet he deliberately chose to leave his vote on that player rather than to switch to the counterwagon, a wolf. Yesterday Zurvan played a crucial role in lynching BEG. Yet today bigger comes out with no analysis just blabbering about how we need to lynch Zurvan after we mislynch (?) him. Out of all the stuff that's happened, the only analysis he can come up with is that we should lynch Zurvan, because Zurvan wants to lynch him?
However, despite how bad this is, I'm not actually sure it's what he would be doing as a wolf.
Fourth thought: this spot was reserved for gt1t but I keep deleting everything I type
fifth thought: epi's post voting honeybee was gross. It's already been said that his EOD stuff was wolfy, which he doesn't dispute, yet his ultimate reason for voting honeybee is that he can't see a way that she would think he's a wolf? His other point is that she mischaracterized his actions by simply saying he defended BEG, and then he goes on to explain exactly how he defended BEG (which, even from his own description of it, sounds wolfy). So what was wrong with her statement? Where did she "talk it up"?
sixth thought: Nez doesn't care enough to convince me he's a villager?
Second thought: As I lay in bed last night I was thinking I should be able to figure out Nez's role solely based on him coming out and voting Elliot for me today. However, I'm not ready to commit to a decision. But I'm having a hard time convincing myself that he's a wolf (and a much harder time convincing myself that he and Elliot could both be wolves).
Third thought: Yesterday bigger was claiming to be sure Zurvan was a wolf based on their experiences as wolves together a couple weeks ago. At the time he had picked out a specific post as the basis for. Now, it didn't actually ever make sense to me, but his insistence seemed a little bit villagery. However, it's gone downhill since then. One of the most striking things about that game was that a bunch of the wolves, including Zurvan, were adamant about never voting for a fellow wolf, regardless of the situation. At one point, the player that Zurvan was voting for claimed seer, and yet he deliberately chose to leave his vote on that player rather than to switch to the counterwagon, a wolf. Yesterday Zurvan played a crucial role in lynching BEG. Yet today bigger comes out with no analysis just blabbering about how we need to lynch Zurvan after we mislynch (?) him. Out of all the stuff that's happened, the only analysis he can come up with is that we should lynch Zurvan, because Zurvan wants to lynch him?
However, despite how bad this is, I'm not actually sure it's what he would be doing as a wolf.
Fourth thought: this spot was reserved for gt1t but I keep deleting everything I type
fifth thought: epi's post voting honeybee was gross. It's already been said that his EOD stuff was wolfy, which he doesn't dispute, yet his ultimate reason for voting honeybee is that he can't see a way that she would think he's a wolf? His other point is that she mischaracterized his actions by simply saying he defended BEG, and then he goes on to explain exactly how he defended BEG (which, even from his own description of it, sounds wolfy). So what was wrong with her statement? Where did she "talk it up"?
sixth thought: Nez doesn't care enough to convince me he's a villager?
soah,
i can see how my EOD stuff was wolfy, but (and im pretty sure i didnt say this next part in a different language to the rest of my post), only TO PEOPLE WHO'VE PLAYED WITH ME. lacking that history, i cant see how honeybee arrived at the conclusion she did. maybe thats because i dont understand how her mind works, maybe thats because the logic she used isnt solid, or maybe thats because shes a wolf.
i can see how my EOD stuff was wolfy, but (and im pretty sure i didnt say this next part in a different language to the rest of my post), only TO PEOPLE WHO'VE PLAYED WITH ME. lacking that history, i cant see how honeybee arrived at the conclusion she did. maybe thats because i dont understand how her mind works, maybe thats because the logic she used isnt solid, or maybe thats because shes a wolf.
Ok. This is the last time that I'm going to explain why I switched off BEG.
I move off Kokiri and onto BEG and then a crap-ton of people follow
Then McAvoy posts that. The first paragraph is what concerns us here. So BEG and HB are masons from another site and BEG is going after her mason here, according to McAvoy. Thats would just be a super villagery thing to do and if you don't think that then you're dumb
So then I post that but don't unvote.
Then I vote Sun Tzu (who also happens to be a wolf btw)
Then Soah must have a long post that I skipped over because I missed what he said the first time.
Then I'm back on BEG.
Ha!
Hey, JG- I still think you are a wolf but I'm going to unvote you.
Sun Tzu
Sun, what am I making up?
i went back to read him and you are unfortunately correct
I could be down with a BEG wagon though
we do need to lynch somebody
BEG
I'm also just going to keep posting indiscriminately and I really am a power role so we really should maj somebody
I could be down with a BEG wagon though
we do need to lynch somebody
BEG
I'm also just going to keep posting indiscriminately and I really am a power role so we really should maj somebody
Voting BEG here is so lol bad its not even funny. Do any of you know the history between BEG and HB? They are ww players from another site and they are usually masons itt, and beg has more less called out HB for her behaviour itt. that should be a huge sign.
beg protecting me tells nothing of her role, she will protect me equally as a wolf as she would a villa cuz i am me. however what is important is her questioning hb, I will vote beg to prove a point, beg is a villa but beg has a super read on hb .
beg protecting me tells nothing of her role, she will protect me equally as a wolf as she would a villa cuz i am me. however what is important is her questioning hb, I will vote beg to prove a point, beg is a villa but beg has a super read on hb .
mcavoy makes an interesting point imo
ok Nez,
I'm down with not lynching BEG based mostly on what McAvoy said.
McAvoy/Nez-- figure out another vote that we can try and get people
and not Honeybee I've never played with her before
there basically are no good wagons which is ridiculous but true.
I'm down with not lynching BEG based mostly on what McAvoy said.
McAvoy/Nez-- figure out another vote that we can try and get people
and not Honeybee I've never played with her before
there basically are no good wagons which is ridiculous but true.
Sun Tzu
Dustin,
If you're going to unvote BEG because of what mcavoy said then you should first explain how what he said actually makes sense, because I've already pointed out why it didn't.
If you're going to unvote BEG because of what mcavoy said then you should first explain how what he said actually makes sense, because I've already pointed out why it didn't.
Soah,
You are correct. I suppose I should have gone back and seen exactly what she did instead of just taking McAvoy's word for it. Although it definitely would have been villagery for her to be going after her mason
BEG
You are correct. I suppose I should have gone back and seen exactly what she did instead of just taking McAvoy's word for it. Although it definitely would have been villagery for her to be going after her mason
BEG
Ha!
Hey, JG- I still think you are a wolf but I'm going to unvote you.
Sun Tzu
Sun, what am I making up?
Hey Dustin, why are you unvoting me if you think I'm a wolf
I'll be back tomorrow
Zurvan
I'll be back tomorrow
Zurvan
That you think I'm a wolf. I don't believe you. Make a case.
Dustin
me/dustin wagons would be good
Dustin
me/dustin wagons would be good
well at least the crossfire thing is sorted and we can stop wasting posts with stratcrap.
I think Chuckles current tone/lack of content is pretty consistent with his wolfgame as i recall it. The other person i'm really keen on lynching is Zurvan. I feel like his reactions to BiggerB came across as very unnatural and going through the motions.
Finally, the only argument for books being a villager here i can see is that he's so wolfy perhaps he's too wolfy.
Biggerboat's first few posts were very wolfy, but if, as someone said, he is always wolfy early, so be it.
I don;t recall why i thoguht nez was wolfy anymore.
Epi and Soah fall into the category of good players who seem straight, so i'll trust for now, but will reconsider if they survive late into th game. GT1T might, too, but i know his game less well.
I think WN and 64 are the clearest villagers i have. Mike was villagey i thought in interaction w soah.
The post i'd cleared OR with, i am now not so sure about, but i think if i think about it more i'll be able to peg her role right.
Zurvan
would ideally go one of {Z, Chuckles, Books}
I think Chuckles current tone/lack of content is pretty consistent with his wolfgame as i recall it. The other person i'm really keen on lynching is Zurvan. I feel like his reactions to BiggerB came across as very unnatural and going through the motions.
Finally, the only argument for books being a villager here i can see is that he's so wolfy perhaps he's too wolfy.
Biggerboat's first few posts were very wolfy, but if, as someone said, he is always wolfy early, so be it.
I don;t recall why i thoguht nez was wolfy anymore.
Epi and Soah fall into the category of good players who seem straight, so i'll trust for now, but will reconsider if they survive late into th game. GT1T might, too, but i know his game less well.
I think WN and 64 are the clearest villagers i have. Mike was villagey i thought in interaction w soah.
The post i'd cleared OR with, i am now not so sure about, but i think if i think about it more i'll be able to peg her role right.
Zurvan
would ideally go one of {Z, Chuckles, Books}
Nich is nearly a lock as a villager. Admittedly it took me a long time to figure it out, but he is quite different as a wolf and as a villager. Soah is a nearly universally acknowledged villager, which doesn't particularly trouble me because I think it is correct.
I am rereading yesterday to try to identify the reason I think Mets is evil. It will either come to me or I will make up a reason.
I am rereading yesterday to try to identify the reason I think Mets is evil. It will either come to me or I will make up a reason.
qed
Yeah, you just make up your reads of me.
You were right more often when you used to call me a villager all the time. Now that you call me a wolf every time you're wrong all the time.
Do you ever get tired of looking stupid?
You were right more often when you used to call me a villager all the time. Now that you call me a wolf every time you're wrong all the time.
Do you ever get tired of looking stupid?
I would ask you to link to a game where you correctly called me a wolf, but I know there isn't one.
BEG time
Commends Zurvan's advice. Mentions Bigger. Doesn't say why. Mentions OR and justifies why
Here she commends Mc's advice; a pattern perhaps?
Says she like's soah's plan and agrees with it. w/w? Unlikely. She's consistent with her "reads" but now finally gives a reason for wanting to vote bigger boat "Bigger with his "fluff post trying to make it look like it's not a fluff post" gives me wolf vibes." This is obviously not the right reason to vote suspect bigger right here. It seems like she's stretching to keep Bigger on her wolf list.
Commends McAvoy for something he said. Questions WN on his raciousr business which was pretty clearly explained. Not much here.
The first part is in response to met's OrangeRack joke. She seems to think mets is trying to make it look like she voted for OR. To me, this seems like the type of thing that a villager BEG would get all up in met's ass about but she doesn't. It could be because she's a wolf. It could be because they're both wolves. She pokes at a peculiarity with "Did you deleted the rest of my post expect the order "Orangerake" to make it appear that I voted for her." She should be way more aggressive if she truly thought mets was trying to manipulate her post but she choses not to draw much attention to him.
Again commends Soah on his plan. Asks HB about HP, whatever HP was; small talk.
jumps on books for jokingly saying he just wants to kill oldschoolers. More defense of Mac.
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belooooooong /endsong. I highlighted just in case you don't notice. Solid foundations and good logic are certainly not kokiri this game. Mentions HB and about how she needs to post more to read her. Starts to reverse her opinion on OR but completely ignores her only other wolf suspect, biggerboat.
More Mac defense, more appeal to Soah. lol at wanting to lynch books for this.
Even more Mac defense. Some Soah defense. Voices suspicion of Books, Dustin, Zurvan and Elliot and JG for posting fluff. Pokes at mike, nich, and 64. She mentions Zurvan here now completely ignore that she commended him earlier in the day on his strat and her suspicion on Biggerboat. Biggerboat went from wolf suspect (who now should be her top wolf suspect since he's off the map) to someone she agrees with by suspecting Zurvan. Dustin's name is arguably pulled out of thin air. Elliot and JG have been a little fluffy but I'm not entirely sure that makes them wolves. Regardless, that part is accurate, as is her comment about 64. Her reversal on WN is likely a go with the flow type statement, meaning she doesn't think she can continue calling him a wolf when everyone else is calling him a villager.
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Ok, conlusions. Early she follows a pattern of being agreeable with villager advice, less notable is Soah and McAvoy since she clearly defends and agrees with them throughout the day. More notable is that she thanks Zurvan for his advice early. Slight villager points to Zurvan for that. She gets passively aggressive with mets but seems like she doesn't want to make a fuss over it. Slight wolf points for mets. She puts kokiri in a list of people where he definitely doesn't belong. She clearly thought some about the other people she put in that list. This coincides with my thoughts that kokiri is a wolf. Biggerboat goes from suspect, to off the radar, to passive agreement when he clearly should have been her top wolf suspect at the time. She chose to phase him out because he's a wolf. She feels the need to mention HB here briefly. I think this is mainly because people expect her to interact with HB, however, HB hasn't been around. The fact that BEG feels the need to extent that arm makes me think they are on different teams. Slight villager points for HB.
BEG finally decides to make her attack on books for saying he wants to kill old schoolers. Admittedly, this is a very BEG-like thing to do. However, there's a slight weirdness there. Most people would just kind of say "oh BEG you so crazy" and go about their business but books feels the need to respond. Her attack is also weird because books is never getting lynched in a bazillion years here. Don't get me wrong, Books has come off as nothing but villager to me thus far. He could have just as easily responded to BEG because he doesn't have much experience with her. However, I think this exchange is notable enough to talk about. I surely believe books is one of the all time most underrated players and when he does wolf, his eloquence gets him a long way
Color coated for ease:
Soah
McAvoy
Zurvan
honeybee
wdcbooks
metsandfinsfan
kokiri
biggerboat
thanks for the warning. . . Cuz ur right. Didnt like biggers first post. OR first post slightly wolfy because of over justification.. . Other than that i like her idea on using posts wisely. U all know my daytime hrs r limited to cell posting so my attempt to help conserve is to not go over 10 to 12 posts. I got that by allocation of # people / # posts allowed. If everyone does the same we might b able to manage.
excellent advice. . . Agree w both points u made. one thing i will try to do also is read all the way to the bottom before posting to eliminate repeating in the future. i will also start a spreadsheet & keep track of post counts per player per day. . . Might help paint a picture for us. . Idk. . . Will think about a way to weight it based on content
Well....I have to say that I'm not a big fan of this game. Every post is huge and multi quoted. It's making my head hurt.
I'm down with Soah's plan....count me in. Soah, who do you recommend?
I see people voting for McAvoy again for no reason. He is making good sense and is a villager in my book.
OrangeRack and Bigger are my 2 highest suspects for their first posts of the game. OR listed her entire itenerary, which was way over justification. Bigger with his "fluff post trying to make it look like it's not a fluff post" gives me wolf vibes.
So far for me:
Villager: McAvoy, Soah
Lean Wolf: OR, Bigger
I will wait and see who Soah recommends and why, but right now, I want to vote for OR.
I'm down with Soah's plan....count me in. Soah, who do you recommend?
I see people voting for McAvoy again for no reason. He is making good sense and is a villager in my book.
OrangeRack and Bigger are my 2 highest suspects for their first posts of the game. OR listed her entire itenerary, which was way over justification. Bigger with his "fluff post trying to make it look like it's not a fluff post" gives me wolf vibes.
So far for me:
Villager: McAvoy, Soah
Lean Wolf: OR, Bigger
I will wait and see who Soah recommends and why, but right now, I want to vote for OR.
Can you please explain this post? I am starting on my spreadsheet, and I notice that raciousr isn't even playing this game. Plus, it's not bolded like a vote.....so, what the heck is this?
Also, so I don't waist posts, here is the ranking system that I'm using for my spreadsheet, if anyone cares. I don't know if this will do anything at all, but maybe after a couple of days worth of data, we can see some patterns in the types of posts people are posting. I like what McAvoy said about forcing the wolves to post, and catch them, if they try to clutter the thread to appear that they are posting.
Ranking System:
1=solid post/no fluff/logical thinking/helpful
2=some fluff/some reads
3=some fluff/no reads
4=all fluff/no reads
5=one liner
Also, so I don't waist posts, here is the ranking system that I'm using for my spreadsheet, if anyone cares. I don't know if this will do anything at all, but maybe after a couple of days worth of data, we can see some patterns in the types of posts people are posting. I like what McAvoy said about forcing the wolves to post, and catch them, if they try to clutter the thread to appear that they are posting.
Ranking System:
1=solid post/no fluff/logical thinking/helpful
2=some fluff/some reads
3=some fluff/no reads
4=all fluff/no reads
5=one liner
I have no idea where you quoted that from me?? Explain please. Did you deleted the rest of my post expect the order "Orangerake" to make it appear that I voted for her. I haven't voted yet. I said that I wanted to vote for her, but I haven't officially yet. Did VR do that when she edited this post. The whole thing is weird.
Anyway....in answer to your question....post #55 is the plan that I like by Soah.
P.S. Hi Honeybee, how was HP?
Anyway....in answer to your question....post #55 is the plan that I like by Soah.
P.S. Hi Honeybee, how was HP?
Again commends Soah on his plan. Asks HB about HP, whatever HP was; small talk.
It's obvious who you are referring to when you say you want to kill for pure joy......very very wolfy statement, don't you think. I can't believe you actually said that.
McAvoy is alot of things, but unimaginative isn't one of them. His entire style is desinged to get people talking. His first post of the game was solid villager. In my spreadsheet of rankings, McAvoy and Soah are solid villagers.
McAvoy is alot of things, but unimaginative isn't one of them. His entire style is desinged to get people talking. His first post of the game was solid villager. In my spreadsheet of rankings, McAvoy and Soah are solid villagers.
Okay....screw the spreadsheet that was too much work. I just went through every post and ranked them according to my scale. I wouldn't say it was a waist of time, because I did see a few things.
I see a few people really posting solid foundations, good logic, and conserving their posts:
Soah
McAvoy
Kokiri
Pyro
G1982
Get There
Epi is off the charts and over his alloted number of posts per person. He's middle of the road in fluff vs. value.
OR got 3 votes within 20 posts of the day, and has spent most of the day defening herself. I'm starting to change my mind on her. That seems weird to me.
Mike repeated one of McAvoy's posts regarding G1982...that stuck out like a sore thumb.
Need more from HB. I can usually read her by tone, but she's only posted once. Not alot to go on.
I see a few people really posting solid foundations, good logic, and conserving their posts:
Soah
McAvoy
Kokiri
Pyro
G1982
Get There
Epi is off the charts and over his alloted number of posts per person. He's middle of the road in fluff vs. value.
OR got 3 votes within 20 posts of the day, and has spent most of the day defening herself. I'm starting to change my mind on her. That seems weird to me.
Mike repeated one of McAvoy's posts regarding G1982...that stuck out like a sore thumb.
Need more from HB. I can usually read her by tone, but she's only posted once. Not alot to go on.
When you say that and vote for someone in the same sentence.....that's who I think you mean. So, w/e on that. Point is.....villagers don't say that they want to "kill for the fun of it".....even jokingly they don't.
If you've only played with him a couple of games, how would you know? Why don't you listen to people that has played alot of games with him, when they tell you that he's a villager. Every game starts out the same.....people gunning for McAvoy. Why? Because he's annoying....and because he's accurate. He gets mislynched all the time, because of his reputation....people don't listen to his reads.
WDCBOOKS
Soah, if you want to chime in here anytime with your recommendation....I'm willing to listen. Until then, I'm parking it on the person that wants to kill for fun.
If you've only played with him a couple of games, how would you know? Why don't you listen to people that has played alot of games with him, when they tell you that he's a villager. Every game starts out the same.....people gunning for McAvoy. Why? Because he's annoying....and because he's accurate. He gets mislynched all the time, because of his reputation....people don't listen to his reads.
WDCBOOKS
Soah, if you want to chime in here anytime with your recommendation....I'm willing to listen. Until then, I'm parking it on the person that wants to kill for fun.
ou all are so full of crap. Lynch me....fine with me.
Part of this game is knowing the players. Books comes in showing fangs and pretends to "know" McAvoy.....admits that he knows nothing about McAvoy, and votes him for a stupid reason. Does he know that McAvoy's very first post of the game tells me that he's a villager. He explains a way for the village to catch the wolves. If he were a wolf....he wouldn't give two cents about the village, and wouldn't give strong, solid advice on helping the village? No!
I have been accused many, many times of following the "show" and not the "actions" of players. This I am guilty. That's how I learned to play, and it's something I am trying to change. If anyone knows me as a player, they would know this. They would know that I pick out little things that people say....words out of place....and things that I think a wolf would "say".....hence the not giving the proper weight to what a wolf would "do".
As for Soah and his metagaming....so what? That was that game, and this is this game. Each game is different, and I would like to think that I learn something from each game. Do you expect me to play like I did, when I first came to this sight?
Why I side with Soah is because he's one of the best. I know this from studying his games, observing, and listening to others. He took charge, came up with a plan, and I'm being voted for agreeing with it? Would you rather me float around in orbit like some of the others and be all wishy washy? I don't have time or posting leisure to do that.
I will say that Books, Dustin, and Zurvan have a good wolf chat going.
Watch out for Elliot and JG, cause they are posting fluff.
M1ke is repeating other people's reads and right in the middle of the road....same with Nicholas.
Sixfour 2 posts with "no content"
Wellnamed started out bad, but getting better.
I sat here for 2 hours trying to come up with a spreadsheet to help. If someone will tell me how to take a picture of it and post it....I will do that before I die. How knows....it may help somebody, and my efforts won't be in vain. If you think I would put myself out like that as a wolf...then you are wrong. If I were a wolf...I wouldn't care, and I'd be in the background trying to float....like some are doing....I wouldn't be trying to plant my feet and dig in.
I'm off to work now.....I will not try to post from my cell today. I only have a few posts left, and I want to save them for posting my spreadsheet, and answering any other questions you all have for me. So, I will see you this evening, unless you all decide to majority me without giving me the courtesy.....again.....fine.
Part of this game is knowing the players. Books comes in showing fangs and pretends to "know" McAvoy.....admits that he knows nothing about McAvoy, and votes him for a stupid reason. Does he know that McAvoy's very first post of the game tells me that he's a villager. He explains a way for the village to catch the wolves. If he were a wolf....he wouldn't give two cents about the village, and wouldn't give strong, solid advice on helping the village? No!
I have been accused many, many times of following the "show" and not the "actions" of players. This I am guilty. That's how I learned to play, and it's something I am trying to change. If anyone knows me as a player, they would know this. They would know that I pick out little things that people say....words out of place....and things that I think a wolf would "say".....hence the not giving the proper weight to what a wolf would "do".
As for Soah and his metagaming....so what? That was that game, and this is this game. Each game is different, and I would like to think that I learn something from each game. Do you expect me to play like I did, when I first came to this sight?
Why I side with Soah is because he's one of the best. I know this from studying his games, observing, and listening to others. He took charge, came up with a plan, and I'm being voted for agreeing with it? Would you rather me float around in orbit like some of the others and be all wishy washy? I don't have time or posting leisure to do that.
I will say that Books, Dustin, and Zurvan have a good wolf chat going.
Watch out for Elliot and JG, cause they are posting fluff.
M1ke is repeating other people's reads and right in the middle of the road....same with Nicholas.
Sixfour 2 posts with "no content"
Wellnamed started out bad, but getting better.
I sat here for 2 hours trying to come up with a spreadsheet to help. If someone will tell me how to take a picture of it and post it....I will do that before I die. How knows....it may help somebody, and my efforts won't be in vain. If you think I would put myself out like that as a wolf...then you are wrong. If I were a wolf...I wouldn't care, and I'd be in the background trying to float....like some are doing....I wouldn't be trying to plant my feet and dig in.
I'm off to work now.....I will not try to post from my cell today. I only have a few posts left, and I want to save them for posting my spreadsheet, and answering any other questions you all have for me. So, I will see you this evening, unless you all decide to majority me without giving me the courtesy.....again.....fine.
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Ok, conlusions. Early she follows a pattern of being agreeable with villager advice, less notable is Soah and McAvoy since she clearly defends and agrees with them throughout the day. More notable is that she thanks Zurvan for his advice early. Slight villager points to Zurvan for that. She gets passively aggressive with mets but seems like she doesn't want to make a fuss over it. Slight wolf points for mets. She puts kokiri in a list of people where he definitely doesn't belong. She clearly thought some about the other people she put in that list. This coincides with my thoughts that kokiri is a wolf. Biggerboat goes from suspect, to off the radar, to passive agreement when he clearly should have been her top wolf suspect at the time. She chose to phase him out because he's a wolf. She feels the need to mention HB here briefly. I think this is mainly because people expect her to interact with HB, however, HB hasn't been around. The fact that BEG feels the need to extent that arm makes me think they are on different teams. Slight villager points for HB.
BEG finally decides to make her attack on books for saying he wants to kill old schoolers. Admittedly, this is a very BEG-like thing to do. However, there's a slight weirdness there. Most people would just kind of say "oh BEG you so crazy" and go about their business but books feels the need to respond. Her attack is also weird because books is never getting lynched in a bazillion years here. Don't get me wrong, Books has come off as nothing but villager to me thus far. He could have just as easily responded to BEG because he doesn't have much experience with her. However, I think this exchange is notable enough to talk about. I surely believe books is one of the all time most underrated players and when he does wolf, his eloquence gets him a long way
Color coated for ease:
Soah
McAvoy
Zurvan
honeybee
wdcbooks
metsandfinsfan
kokiri
biggerboat
Kokiri
Why do you want to lynch a bunch of villagers?
Sun,
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59...thread-413962/
Why do you want to lynch a bunch of villagers?
Sun,
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59...thread-413962/
before I went to lunch I nearly wasted a post to remark at how JG jumping on the zurvan wagon out of the blue was so bad that I want to lynch him in spite of how he's being too wolfy to be a wolf, and if he turns out to be a villager then I could honestly care less about it
but then kokiri actually manages to top it. That's almost as good as him hopping on the random dkgo wagon yesterday. Also, I'm still not getting any reason at all for a villager to be tilted after we've lynched a wolf and dodged a nk.
gt1t, having wolfed with beg with 24 hour chat before, my take on that mets thing is that she would ask him on AIM what he meant instead of in the thread. Also, the topic of busing wolves was pretty much not discussed at all. Granted it was just a 13er so it wasn't necessary... but she never displayed any proclivity at all towards attacking a wolf at all. It's been a while so she may have changed since then, but at that time her mindset was that her job was to make a case against a villager and get him lynched, and continue doing so every day. She also wanted to plan ahead for future mislynches by laying the early foundation to pounce on someone later. Note: We swept that game. Given the uncertainties that are inherently involved I will be very cautious about clearing ALL of the people she attacked, but I think it is quite possible that she may have attacked only villagers. I am not including the brief remarks in her final post as "attacks". books deserves a lot of credit for bearing the brunt of her major assault because I do not believe that BEG's strategy as a wolf would entail trying to clear herself to win at endgame. Nor has she ever shown any signs that she is the type of player who feels that the need to be right about everything as a wolf as the only way to mimic her villager game.
I am willing to give Sun a pass today mostly just because he actually has made some posts which is more than can be said for certain other people. Actually there's another reason too.
So anyway, let's not all forget about Elliot just because he's not posting.
but then kokiri actually manages to top it. That's almost as good as him hopping on the random dkgo wagon yesterday. Also, I'm still not getting any reason at all for a villager to be tilted after we've lynched a wolf and dodged a nk.
gt1t, having wolfed with beg with 24 hour chat before, my take on that mets thing is that she would ask him on AIM what he meant instead of in the thread. Also, the topic of busing wolves was pretty much not discussed at all. Granted it was just a 13er so it wasn't necessary... but she never displayed any proclivity at all towards attacking a wolf at all. It's been a while so she may have changed since then, but at that time her mindset was that her job was to make a case against a villager and get him lynched, and continue doing so every day. She also wanted to plan ahead for future mislynches by laying the early foundation to pounce on someone later. Note: We swept that game. Given the uncertainties that are inherently involved I will be very cautious about clearing ALL of the people she attacked, but I think it is quite possible that she may have attacked only villagers. I am not including the brief remarks in her final post as "attacks". books deserves a lot of credit for bearing the brunt of her major assault because I do not believe that BEG's strategy as a wolf would entail trying to clear herself to win at endgame. Nor has she ever shown any signs that she is the type of player who feels that the need to be right about everything as a wolf as the only way to mimic her villager game.
I am willing to give Sun a pass today mostly just because he actually has made some posts which is more than can be said for certain other people. Actually there's another reason too.
So anyway, let's not all forget about Elliot just because he's not posting.
Damn it, hamsters just ate my post.
What I was saying is that I distrust the couple of people who are engaging in self-immolation. Epi and Bigger are both going to some lengths to assure us that they understand that they look wolfy. Maybe this is just my failure to understand how other people play, but when I am a villager I always feel like every post I make is ultra-villagery and can't imagine how anyone could think otherwise. These apologies strike me as something I would do as a wolf to defuse the argument against me.
Dustin, I have read your defense, but I don't buy it. The fact is that McAvoy didn't make an interesting point about BEG. Furthermore, his defense of BEG was made in the same post he voted for her. How you decided she was a bad choice after that, I will never know.
What I was saying is that I distrust the couple of people who are engaging in self-immolation. Epi and Bigger are both going to some lengths to assure us that they understand that they look wolfy. Maybe this is just my failure to understand how other people play, but when I am a villager I always feel like every post I make is ultra-villagery and can't imagine how anyone could think otherwise. These apologies strike me as something I would do as a wolf to defuse the argument against me.
Dustin, I have read your defense, but I don't buy it. The fact is that McAvoy didn't make an interesting point about BEG. Furthermore, his defense of BEG was made in the same post he voted for her. How you decided she was a bad choice after that, I will never know.
I reread the day 1 thread. It's annoying that it's closed so I can't quote the posts.
BEG
BEG was an obvious wolf. It was also clear she was going down so I don't know how much value we get from the voting. I don't know if the people defending her are wolfy for it or villagery for it. It's hard to say.
Dustin
#30
In Dustin's first post, he apologizes in advance for sucking at finding wolves and for making bad reads this game.
#93
Then he calls my first post wolfy but admits he has no reason.
#101
He wants to lynch me based off my first post that he doesn't like but doesn't know why.
At first I thought the reason Dustin wants me lynched is because he knows I read him well and he's afraid of me when he's a wolf. After thinking about it some more, I realize that although there's some truth to that, the main reason he always calls me a wolf when he's a wolf isn't necessarily to get me lynched as much as to "get there first" since I have a tendency to find people wolfy who call me a wolf. That way people won't give much weight to my read of him. This approach is apparent in post #150. Note that I hadn't even called him a wolf yet but he knew I would.
I'm not sure on this since he likes to be wolfy as a villager and he sucks at reading me. I think I read him pretty well on tone but I'm not always right. Although this looks like his wolf game, I can't say that it's definitely not his villager game.
I'm trying to ignore the calling me a wolf thing since it might not mean anything, but Dustin still feels wolfy on tone and he's not interacting with me in a villagery way at all.
Epicurus
I still want to know what you were referring to in post #98. You say you found a tell that is "either an elaborate lvl 42 fake, a very loose and careless wolf tell, or a villager tell" but refuse to elaborate.
This is wolfy because you can make up an explanation later and you leave yourself outs, including never addressing it.
You seem to have decided it's a villager tell but that doesn't make me feel any better about it. FYI, I don't make elaborate fakes and I sometimes make very loose and careless wolf tells, so maybe we should discuss it.
For the sake of argument, let's say it means I'm a wolf. What if you get night-killed and that information dies with you and I go on to win the game? You would feel pretty stupid, right?
If you're a villager, there's no upside to being shady.
After typing that, I just reread post #120.
You said if you're right you can always bring it up later. How do you know you'll be alive? Yeah, I'm definitely leaning wolf on you.
You also said that your eod was wolfy only if someone knows your wolf game. I disagree. You were wolfy regardless.
honeybee
Honeybee is a villager
McAvoy
The weird defense and voting of BEG looks suspicious but he has weird meta with her so whatever.
However, following WN's Chuckles thing is bad.
I'm still leaning wolf on mac.
more later
BEG
BEG was an obvious wolf. It was also clear she was going down so I don't know how much value we get from the voting. I don't know if the people defending her are wolfy for it or villagery for it. It's hard to say.
Dustin
#30
In Dustin's first post, he apologizes in advance for sucking at finding wolves and for making bad reads this game.
#93
Then he calls my first post wolfy but admits he has no reason.
#101
He wants to lynch me based off my first post that he doesn't like but doesn't know why.
At first I thought the reason Dustin wants me lynched is because he knows I read him well and he's afraid of me when he's a wolf. After thinking about it some more, I realize that although there's some truth to that, the main reason he always calls me a wolf when he's a wolf isn't necessarily to get me lynched as much as to "get there first" since I have a tendency to find people wolfy who call me a wolf. That way people won't give much weight to my read of him. This approach is apparent in post #150. Note that I hadn't even called him a wolf yet but he knew I would.
I'm not sure on this since he likes to be wolfy as a villager and he sucks at reading me. I think I read him pretty well on tone but I'm not always right. Although this looks like his wolf game, I can't say that it's definitely not his villager game.
I'm trying to ignore the calling me a wolf thing since it might not mean anything, but Dustin still feels wolfy on tone and he's not interacting with me in a villagery way at all.
Epicurus
I still want to know what you were referring to in post #98. You say you found a tell that is "either an elaborate lvl 42 fake, a very loose and careless wolf tell, or a villager tell" but refuse to elaborate.
This is wolfy because you can make up an explanation later and you leave yourself outs, including never addressing it.
You seem to have decided it's a villager tell but that doesn't make me feel any better about it. FYI, I don't make elaborate fakes and I sometimes make very loose and careless wolf tells, so maybe we should discuss it.
For the sake of argument, let's say it means I'm a wolf. What if you get night-killed and that information dies with you and I go on to win the game? You would feel pretty stupid, right?
If you're a villager, there's no upside to being shady.
After typing that, I just reread post #120.
You said if you're right you can always bring it up later. How do you know you'll be alive? Yeah, I'm definitely leaning wolf on you.
You also said that your eod was wolfy only if someone knows your wolf game. I disagree. You were wolfy regardless.
honeybee
Honeybee is a villager
McAvoy
The weird defense and voting of BEG looks suspicious but he has weird meta with her so whatever.
However, following WN's Chuckles thing is bad.
I'm still leaning wolf on mac.
more later
I feel like I should make an utterly gratuitous post. I have the most time to post on weekends so I would love to hit night sometime soon. Hopefully by lynching Dustin, but I am a reasonable guy so someone else might work as well, so long as it isn't Nich, Soah or I.
Sun,
I probably secretly cleared you hours ago but felt like continuing to call you a wolf, as I switched off of you onto JG.
Day 1 was weird. (not necessarily you although I really didn't like your first post, but overall was weird) But you've made good posts today and I like the way that you've responded to me.
I realize of course the danger that exists when I lie about my actual reads and/or intentions, but sometimes I like to know peoples roles....
so get off me and find me a wolf
I probably secretly cleared you hours ago but felt like continuing to call you a wolf, as I switched off of you onto JG.
Day 1 was weird. (not necessarily you although I really didn't like your first post, but overall was weird) But you've made good posts today and I like the way that you've responded to me.
I realize of course the danger that exists when I lie about my actual reads and/or intentions, but sometimes I like to know peoples roles....
so get off me and find me a wolf
dustin
I hate how im so bad at figuring things out and making reads, then as soon as someone makes a good post its like "damn that makes so much sense why didnt i post that"
Not gonna waste our post limit more unless i can think of anything real good but imo sun is a solid player and on the right track
Not gonna waste our post limit more unless i can think of anything real good but imo sun is a solid player and on the right track
sun will probably be clearing me here shortly after he sees my awesome (and also totally true) explanation for my actions
and then you'll be looking silly
should probably work on another vote now
also- when i saw that you had posted i somehow knew that you would be voting for me even though there is no real reason why i should have thought that
and then you'll be looking silly
should probably work on another vote now
also- when i saw that you had posted i somehow knew that you would be voting for me even though there is no real reason why i should have thought that
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