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03-04-2015
, 02:23 PM
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Would like to clear two things up before I go HAM.
1. I was incorrect that domer cheated. That is due to mods communicating one thing to the wolf team, while communicating exactly the opposite to the ****ing masonry that Cartman was recruited into, to which he showed his mod communicated recruitment message from day one before asking the mods if he could. The mods told him it was fine after it happened. The previous night we had been told explicitly that the recruitment PM was "mod communication" that would not be seen by anyone else.
2. Domer spent the entire second day angleshooting his balls off, I will shortly quote like 30 posts of him knowing he's doing it and doing it anyway. Short of that ridiculous angleshot coupled with the ****ing stick being allowed to permanently angel him for 24 hours (we spent two vigs, a night anda day vig on him, both of which would have hit due to no one angeling him and both of which only missed because of THE STICK INVINCIBILITY) while angleshooting coupled with the mod miscommunication to us literally 100% causing us to accidentally kill Duck by missing the Cartman character vig, the wolves win this game in a ridiculously easy walk.
The most galling part of this was when we knew that LaDurpus was Cartman approximately always, and then domer begins ranting about the content of the recruitment PM. He did so by not specifically describing it, because he was told he could not, but instead by doing everything in his power to reiterate literally like 30 times that he would be modkilled if he discussed the thing he knew, but that he knew a thing he couldn't talk about - which was a problem he solved by just talking about it ****ing all day, couched in "I'm totally talking about out-of-game information I've been told not to talk about right now lol hi I'll be modkilled if I ever clarify this but I KNOW SOMETHING I SHOULDN'T KNOW HI." Anyway, once it was obvious he knew the contents of the recruitment, we character vigged him as Cartman. We did this because based on our knowledge from the mods it was *impossible* that he could be anyone other than Cartman, because no one else could see the recruitment. That caused Duck to die as punishment for "missing." That remains the single most rigged moment of the game.
Domer is an angleshooter and knows it. He will argue this.
1. I was incorrect that domer cheated. That is due to mods communicating one thing to the wolf team, while communicating exactly the opposite to the ****ing masonry that Cartman was recruited into, to which he showed his mod communicated recruitment message from day one before asking the mods if he could. The mods told him it was fine after it happened. The previous night we had been told explicitly that the recruitment PM was "mod communication" that would not be seen by anyone else.
2. Domer spent the entire second day angleshooting his balls off, I will shortly quote like 30 posts of him knowing he's doing it and doing it anyway. Short of that ridiculous angleshot coupled with the ****ing stick being allowed to permanently angel him for 24 hours (we spent two vigs, a night anda day vig on him, both of which would have hit due to no one angeling him and both of which only missed because of THE STICK INVINCIBILITY) while angleshooting coupled with the mod miscommunication to us literally 100% causing us to accidentally kill Duck by missing the Cartman character vig, the wolves win this game in a ridiculously easy walk.
The most galling part of this was when we knew that LaDurpus was Cartman approximately always, and then domer begins ranting about the content of the recruitment PM. He did so by not specifically describing it, because he was told he could not, but instead by doing everything in his power to reiterate literally like 30 times that he would be modkilled if he discussed the thing he knew, but that he knew a thing he couldn't talk about - which was a problem he solved by just talking about it ****ing all day, couched in "I'm totally talking about out-of-game information I've been told not to talk about right now lol hi I'll be modkilled if I ever clarify this but I KNOW SOMETHING I SHOULDN'T KNOW HI." Anyway, once it was obvious he knew the contents of the recruitment, we character vigged him as Cartman. We did this because based on our knowledge from the mods it was *impossible* that he could be anyone other than Cartman, because no one else could see the recruitment. That caused Duck to die as punishment for "missing." That remains the single most rigged moment of the game.
Domer is an angleshooter and knows it. He will argue this.
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It's also frustrating that the mods knew that we were suiciding Duck due precisely and only to their own mixup, and it's doubly frustrating that mods knew that while this was happenning domer was hard-angleshooting for the entire day, and not only did nothing get fixed to re-balance the ****ups, or anything get done to prevent the ridiculous extra death of an extra wolf, but it was allowed to just be how the game was.
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We went over this like 9 times in DVC. If Hurp decides to join the lolWILlage and then tries to out me, he does so in a situation where he cannot talk about the recruitment. That is an argument I can possibly win, and it's obviously a gamble I'm willing to take to recruit a new wolf PR in a game we're already completely dominating at that point.
What I cannot win is an argument where a third party to the recruitment begins explicitly using the content of the recruitment that he isn't supposed to even read to deduce who a wolf is and then begin ranting about how he knows this with 98% accuracy based on things he can't talk about because he was told not to talk about them which clears him, clears Cartman, ****s up our vig system thereby killing another wolf for no reason owing only to angleshot, etc.
"You cannot talk about this" does not mean it is fine to repeat over and over again that the result of your knowledge that you cannot talk about is X but you cannot talk about WHY or you'll be modkilled. That's an explicit angleshot because the only thing you are talking about is the specific thing you know you cannot talk about. This is so obvious.
What I cannot win is an argument where a third party to the recruitment begins explicitly using the content of the recruitment that he isn't supposed to even read to deduce who a wolf is and then begin ranting about how he knows this with 98% accuracy based on things he can't talk about because he was told not to talk about them which clears him, clears Cartman, ****s up our vig system thereby killing another wolf for no reason owing only to angleshot, etc.
"You cannot talk about this" does not mean it is fine to repeat over and over again that the result of your knowledge that you cannot talk about is X but you cannot talk about WHY or you'll be modkilled. That's an explicit angleshot because the only thing you are talking about is the specific thing you know you cannot talk about. This is so obvious.
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oh for the love of god
the rule is do not talk about it
he talks about it
the justification for not punishing him cannot be that he broke the rule but HURP isn't in a position to know that, what's the point of the rule if breaking it is always fine so long as you could have been lying from the perspective of the hearer?
this is the same thing you said about the day long OTHER angle, and the whole point is THE REASON IT'S AN ANGLE is the hearer is being forced to MAKE DEDUCTIONS ABOUT RULE BREAKING, i.e. ABOUT STUFF DOMER IS ALREADY REQUIRED TO NOT BE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IS ACTIVELY TALKING ABOUT
so frustrating
the rule is do not talk about it
he talks about it
the justification for not punishing him cannot be that he broke the rule but HURP isn't in a position to know that, what's the point of the rule if breaking it is always fine so long as you could have been lying from the perspective of the hearer?
this is the same thing you said about the day long OTHER angle, and the whole point is THE REASON IT'S AN ANGLE is the hearer is being forced to MAKE DEDUCTIONS ABOUT RULE BREAKING, i.e. ABOUT STUFF DOMER IS ALREADY REQUIRED TO NOT BE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IS ACTIVELY TALKING ABOUT
so frustrating
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03-04-2015
, 02:31 PM
Yes Hoya, no one but your namath, your night vigilante, mucks, who subbed out after randing wolf, killer, who was the third wagon (although that whole neil/killer situation was pretty slick I have to admit), and neil, who was getting some heat. Other than that, you guys were killing us 
03-04-2015
, 02:31 PM
03-04-2015
, 02:36 PM
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Yes Hoya, no one but your namath, your night vigilante, mucks, who subbed out after randing wolf, killer, who was the third wagon (although that whole neil/killer situation was pretty slick I have to admit), and neil, who was getting some heat. Other than that, you guys were killing us
That's not to say that my wagon might not have still taken off absent Hoya's bussing, we'll obv never know either way, but if I never re enter the thread there's a strong nonzero chance I'm not the lead wagon at EOD.
03-04-2015
, 02:36 PM
