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05-02-2008 , 07:54 PM

#1351

clowntable

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I'll park my vote on turd untill I'm done RRing.

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05-02-2008 , 08:00 PM

#1352

Epicurus

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back. more pissed about seer situation by the second. sixfour

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05-02-2008 , 08:02 PM

#1353

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Originally Posted by clowntable

I'll park my vote on turd untill I'm done RRing.

Uh, ok. Why?

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05-02-2008 , 08:04 PM

#1354

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I'd also know from both soah and boiler why they prefered voting the claimed seer over the wolf that he peeked.

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05-02-2008 , 08:04 PM

#1355

clowntable

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On the day that vader got landslided.

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05-02-2008 , 08:13 PM

#1356

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Originally Posted by clowntable

I'd also know from both soah and boiler why they prefered voting the claimed seer over the wolf that he peeked.

Wat?

Vader claimed the day before and didn't get NK'ed so when Atakdog (IIRC) were NK'ed, Vader seemed liked the obvious choice. Am I misreading you here?

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05-02-2008 , 08:17 PM

#1357

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No you're not. I'd expect both of them to let both players live because of that and then far second still lynch the wolf over the seer.

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05-02-2008 , 08:20 PM

#1358

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Because unless bobman also claims seer it's worst case:
vader is wolf, bobman vanillager -> 1 dead wolf, one dead villager
Vs:
vader is seer, bobman is wolf -> 1 dead seer, one dead wolf

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05-02-2008 , 08:35 PM

#1359

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Originally Posted by clowntable

Because unless bobman also claims seer it's worst case:
vader is wolf, bobman vanillager -> 1 dead wolf, one dead villager
Vs:
vader is seer, bobman is wolf -> 1 dead seer, one dead wolf

Uuuuh...

We have to do the vader/bobman lynch either way. Lynching someone else in the mean time is just delaying the process, and Vader will be NK'ed anyway (well, with these wolves it's hard to say for sure, but still...)

What am I not getting here? It just seems more +EV to get 1 wolf in 2 lynches, even though that potentially means lynching a seer. The reason that lynching the seer doesn't matter too much is that the wolves (presumably!) will NK him either way.

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05-02-2008 , 08:40 PM

#1360

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If both live, vader will have to keep giving peeks and if he's a wolf he'll be outed eventually.
There's also the potential that bobman will spew.

WL, can't get over that slip. Especially not since he also had that odd "me and 4 better players" post + he's mildly incriminated by atakdog = best lynch so far (only in the middle of rereading atakdog currently).

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05-02-2008 , 08:42 PM

#1361

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Originally Posted by atakdog

Only things in WL's favor, as I see it, are (1) his failure to jump on Luckay - but that's mitigated to some extent by the fact that there weren't really any competing wagons, so he didn't need to vote and it would be safer not too -- he couldn't pull the "it's really just for the angleshooting" routine because he's known to be new; and (2) the completely nonsensical nature of his play. Not convinced yet, but I think we need to keep heat on him.

Specifically this post (italics added by me). he had some other posts where he says WL is wolfy before that.

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05-02-2008 , 08:43 PM

#1362

Hitch

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WHITE LIGHTNING

GOGOGOGOGO

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05-02-2008 , 08:43 PM

#1363

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"as I see it" in italics

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05-02-2008 , 08:49 PM

#1364

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Originally Posted by atakdog

River is reasonably well cleared, actually. I really like ackbleh's analysis this morning, though that doesn't mean he's not lupine. Aard -- I could definitely see that.

Actually, nevermind that...he tossed that "see it" around lightly.

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05-02-2008 , 08:51 PM

#1365

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NP. Just use the quote button, obv. The multiquote button works reasonably well, but watch where your insert point goes when you add text. River gave you the proper syntax.

Nested quotes, which you see occasionally, have to be done manually. PITA.

I do understand the thing about facebook -- love your explanation of that, actually. That has nothing to do with my wagoning you.

More WL stuff.

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05-02-2008 , 08:51 PM

#1366

Hitch

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Here for a limited time.

Wassup?

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05-02-2008 , 08:52 PM

#1367

clowntable

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Originally Posted by atakdog

Stated above, my favorite of the three you cited is aard, but that's mostly by default. There's a reasonable case for ackbleh too, but he's looking pretty villlage to my inexperienced eyes. I'd like to hear from others, particularly epi (though I'm not giving him a pass, as he's obviously very good) and BPM (who sure helped confuse things yesterday, but I gather that's about par).

I absolutely agree that we need clearer wagons early. I've hitched (NPI) my horse to WL's; that's all I've got right now on the others.

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05-02-2008 , 08:53 PM

#1368

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Originally Posted by clowntable

I'd also know from both soah and boiler why they prefered voting the claimed seer over the wolf that he peeked.

I expected vader to try harder as the real seer. It seemed like he was a wolf who just kind of gave up instead. I do regret not pushing a 3rd party that day though, like ackbleh said that wasn't anything the wolves did that was a village mistake.

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05-02-2008 , 08:53 PM

#1369

Hitch

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I have asked repeatedly for a reason not to go sfter WL > 64.

Haven't heard one.

Let's get the otes in. W L

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05-02-2008 , 08:55 PM

#1370

clowntable

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His selfvote, his decent posts today.
I'm giving up on trying to decipher atakdog, he's naming way too many people. Pretty bad nk.

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05-02-2008 , 08:56 PM

#1371

clowntable

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unvote

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05-02-2008 , 08:59 PM

#1372

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Clown, if you read the thread you would notice my responses made to atak ever since then. Also, atak was one of the persons who unvoted me when I voted for myself. Furthermore, as I said a day ago, if I was one of 5 wolves why would they kill whoever I suggested? Do you not think I realize how those votes make me look? I think you have to analyze that instead of offering this shallow analysis, which I may add, has been said word for word by other people.

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05-02-2008 , 09:00 PM

#1373

Hitch

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wtf clown?

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05-02-2008 , 09:01 PM

#1374

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Hitch: Not saying I'm opposed to voting WL, but have you read my posts about why 64 might be a better vote? Not saying I'm right, but would like to hear what you think about it.

FWIW, I missed the Atakdog thoughts about WL that Clown posted, so that kinda makes me more willing to lynch WL, and I never really felt that good about WL anyway.

Will reread Atakdog now.