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05-02-2008 , 07:16 PM
OK, I have to throw this out here now, at the risk of sounding "wolfy" since we already have weakishly defined wagons in WL / 64. Consider this: If both White Lightning and sixfour are villagers, the WoR NK makes a lot of sense. The wolves are figuring we need to lynch both of them to resolve which one of them WoR was pointing to. And there's no ambiguity there; WoR's ONLY targets were WL and sixfour. I need some help here, but I think I know the answer; are two mislynches worth as much as a missed opportunity to half-seer hunt (they knew at this point that Vader was the full seer ldo)? They would also know that the dynamic, if both WL and sixfour are villa, would be that both of them would be attacking each other, as seen from WL here, thus making it more likely that the other will be lynched the day after. Am I crazy for thinking this?

On the other hand, I don't see where the aard NK fits into all of this. Though, if they're really devious, the idea might be to give no info at all by the NK to let us continue to focus on the 64/WL dynamic.

All that said, I still don't feel it's terribly wrong to lynch either 64 (better) or WL (worse), because my interpretation might be entirely false/loony. But seriously, I think we need to look harder at the wolf NK's here either way.
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05-02-2008 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
So he didn't say he played 1.5 years ago in thread and you randomly remembered that number and on top of that you somehow know he's "very capable to avoid detection"

Fascinating.
This post makes me want to vote WL less, and you more. Linedude I still have no clue about, which really isn't a good thing.
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05-02-2008 , 07:32 PM
If I was a wolf in this situation, I'd completely ignore the half seer and just setupkill/kill confirmed people/kill strong players.
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05-02-2008 , 07:33 PM
Oh, and it also makes me want to vote 64 more, and then clown afterwards.
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05-02-2008 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
If I was a wolf in this situation, I'd completely ignore the half seer and just setupkill/kill confirmed people/kill strong players.
are you a wolf?
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05-02-2008 , 07:35 PM
I really want to vote just for this strange slip. I mean I just don't see someone randomly remembering 1.5 years and somehow thinking an unknown player is good at avoiding detection. Unfortunately his long posts were at least decent (just for being long posts)

But I'll form a more informed decision and see if there's a higher EV lynch.
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05-02-2008 , 07:35 PM
Ok I don't think I can bring myself to lynch White Lightning after his posts today

If he's a first time wolf playing like this then bravo
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05-02-2008 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Boiler_bd
are you a wolf?
No, are you a panda?
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05-02-2008 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
If I was a wolf in this situation, I'd completely ignore the half seer and just setupkill/kill confirmed people/kill strong players.
Let's say the wolves are playing as you would be. What is your interpretation of the NK's then?
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05-02-2008 , 07:37 PM
Most likely case is that at least one of the cleared villagers is a wolf.
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05-02-2008 , 07:39 PM
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No, are you a panda?
nah
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05-02-2008 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
Most likely case is that at least one of the cleared villagers is a wolf.
Who would you consider "cleared villagers"?
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05-02-2008 , 07:40 PM
64 i can do some serious reading tomorrow and make an informed judgement then
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05-02-2008 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by HerbieGRD
Who would you consider "cleared villagers"?
Cleared villagers = whoever the killed seers pointed to as villagers. Currently rereading so dunno who.
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05-02-2008 , 07:42 PM
I'd like to echo other's sentaments that the seer needs to come out even with only 1 living peek. We are losing at a 9 v 4 so next time you get a peek we may have to face counterclaims etc.

I'll admit to being lazy waiting for the seer, but I think I'm pretty set on a clown/line/64/ackbleh wolf team until further info presents itself.
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05-02-2008 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
Most likely case is that at least one of the cleared villagers is a wolf.
Come on, you can do better than that. First WoR, then aard. What's the connection? What's the motivation? Personally, I also think that one of the "cleared" villagers might be a wolf, but that doesn't really tell much. Analyze man!
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05-02-2008 , 07:44 PM
clown, I would be interested on your thoughts as to who the 4 evils are.
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05-02-2008 , 07:46 PM
0 Ackbleh votes clowntable
0 Boiler_bd votes clowntable
4 clowntable
0 Epicurus
0 FCBLComish votes White Lightning
0 line (__________)
0 reno expat votes sixfour
0 riverfish1/Herbie votes sixfour
3 sixfour
0 soah votes clowntable
0 The_Hitch votes White Lightning
2 White Lightning votes sixfour
0 ZeTurd votes clowntable
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05-02-2008 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Boiler_bd
clown, I would be interested on your thoughts as to who the 4 evils are.
Working on it.
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05-02-2008 , 07:48 PM
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I'll admit to being lazy waiting for the seer, but I think I'm pretty set on a clown/line/64/ackbleh wolf team until further info presents itself.
I will say that I think the weird nightkills along with the FPS of not killing Vader points very strongly to Clown but I hadn't thought about it in that context until right now.

I actually really like this line of thought but it just feels way too easy

Anyways I'm out for the night so gl guys lynch a wolf etc
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05-02-2008 , 07:48 PM
Also waiting on soah's analysis of luckay voters that he promised (unless I missed it)
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05-02-2008 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by HerbieGRD
I actually really like this line of thought but it just feels way too easy
you know what happens when villagers overthink? They lose. Keep it simple is my official ww moto.
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05-02-2008 , 07:49 PM
But as far as lynch today I'm thinking

Sixfour > Clown > WL

And there should probably be at least a couple more > signs between the names but I'm late so w/e
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05-02-2008 , 07:50 PM
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0 Ackbleh votes clowntable
0 Boiler_bd votes clowntable
4 clowntable
0 Epicurus
0 FCBLComish votes White Lightning
0 line (__________)
0 reno expat votes sixfour
0 riverfish1/Herbie votes sixfour
3 sixfour
0 soah votes clowntable
0 The_Hitch votes White Lightning
2 White Lightning votes sixfour
0 ZeTurd votes clowntable
I changed my vote from clowntable to sixfour.
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05-02-2008 , 07:50 PM
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you know what happens when villagers overthink? They lose. Keep it simple is my official ww moto.
That's what I'm trying to do - it's why I'm refusing to second guess my read on Soah
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