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07-20-2015 , 07:52 PM

#926

lilrascal

Rum and Come

Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 14,771

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Originally Posted by BustoRhymes

One check=one point

You have one villa check, no wolf checks. GL.

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07-20-2015 , 07:53 PM

#927

jcohen

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rascal has been slightly wolfy imo. largely influenced by me having a good amount of villa reads before he entered. but i don't feel like his contributions so far have been at all outside of what id expect from wolf rascal

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07-20-2015 , 07:53 PM

#928

Charry

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Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 20,858

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Originally Posted by ihcjay

No I didn't reply to them.

Basically just seeing if you had anything you wanted to ask me or whatever, since I saw you mention me a few times in passing.

Not that I can recall off the top of my head

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07-20-2015 , 07:54 PM

#929

TheBrokenATM!

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Checks are things BATM does to decide what alignment people are.
If you do aomething villas are very likely to do u get V check.
And if you do things that wolfs usually do you get a W check.
I keep tally for each day and EOD etc

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07-20-2015 , 07:54 PM

#930

BustoRhymes

Grand Elf

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 26,670

Quote:

Originally Posted by StuckinARutt

Votes from post 6 to post 737
Night in 2:59:54
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
3	Charry	Stork.. (61), Lissa2 (36), BustoRhymes (86)
2	Mor_Tilt4mePls	Montecore (72), Charry (71)
2	Montecore	ihcjay (60), Mor_Tilt4mePls (12)
2	Viggorous	bopolis (34), TehBankertin (16)
1	LordJvK	Gadarene (88)
1	ihcjay	LordJvK (45)
1	bopolis	Viggorous (41)
5	not voting	jcohen (67), lilrascal (0), peskypenguin (5), Sili (0), TheBrokenATM! (26)

Well well well. Let's see who jumped ship. It couldn't possibly be the person on wagon who had wolf checks.

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Originally Posted by Stork..

I am not sure if it is worthwhile yet, I am hesitant because busto thinks i am a wolf, yet for some reason he is on the wagon too.
I think the early case on charry isn't as strong as it is now after my break.
Mortilt seems wolfy but I don't feel like the info we gain dependent on his flip is helpful enough.
maybe if we vote him he will do something
mor tilt

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Originally Posted by StuckinARutt

Votes from post 6 to post 840
Night in 1:59:53
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
3	Mor_Tilt4mePls	Montecore (72), Charry (76), Stork.. (72)
2	bopolis	Viggorous (41), jcohen (83)
2	Charry	Lissa2 (43), BustoRhymes (91)
2	Montecore	ihcjay (61), Mor_Tilt4mePls (13)
1	peskypenguin	bopolis (39)
1	LordJvK	Gadarene (97)
1	ihcjay	LordJvK (45)
1	Viggorous	TehBankertin (42)
4	not voting	lilrascal (16), peskypenguin (5), Sili (0), TheBrokenATM! (26)

Okay, my bad. It was the person with wolf checks. I will be more careful with my assertions next time.

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07-20-2015 , 07:55 PM

#931

Charry

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We should lynch batm doe

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07-20-2015 , 07:55 PM

#932

LordJvK

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Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 13,489

How often is Gad wrong on tge scale he's been wrong about me?

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07-20-2015 , 07:55 PM

#933

lilrascal

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Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 14,771

I just finished the ISO on bopolis. Nothing stood out except his defense against Viggo, which Viggo's pushing (at least those quoted in the ISO) looked odd.

I'm not finding anyone really wolfy other than a little bit from pesky.

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07-20-2015 , 07:57 PM

#934

jcohen

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I'm probably unlikely to change my vote off bop today

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07-20-2015 , 07:57 PM

#935

Stork..

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batm lets go baby

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07-20-2015 , 07:57 PM

#936

TheBrokenATM!

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Rascal in the house!

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07-20-2015 , 07:58 PM

#937

lilrascal

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jcohen

No one really gave me any cliffs or cases, so I started doing ISO's from the bottom up.

I plan to read the thread tonight. I'm just happy it's less than a thousand posts, so I can catch up.

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07-20-2015 , 07:58 PM

#938

Lissa2

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Originally Posted by Charry

Gadarene

I swear when you're a villager you actually read me correctly.. Might have been a long time ago but still. This feels bad on your behalf.. And I'm your easiest target if you're a wolf. Which you did last game right when you got the chance

Sigh

Die wolf

Weren't you calling his push on you villagery earlier?

There's still a stretchy hop in your progression here, a sharp shift somewhere along the line from "villager" to "wolf" I don't understand. Why were the Mor connections enough to counter out the villagery way you said Gad was pushing you, and what made you start thinking his read on you was wolfy instead of villagery?

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07-20-2015 , 07:58 PM

#939

Charry

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Should we ISO like 2-4 players in a vig rand for tonight?

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07-20-2015 , 07:59 PM

#940

jcohen

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batm you said multiple times how i didn't have a good start. how come you haven't pursued that at all since?

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07-20-2015 , 07:59 PM

#941

TheBrokenATM!

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Stork are u on crack? Crack is wack!

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07-20-2015 , 07:59 PM

#942

lilrascal

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBrokenATM!

Rascal in the house!

Hey BATM.

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07-20-2015 , 08:00 PM

#943

Gadarene

bussing tammates

Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 83,008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charry

Sounds about right

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07-20-2015 , 08:00 PM

#944

StuckinARutt

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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 38,148

Votes from post 6 to post 943
Night in 0:59:54
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
3	Charry	Lissa2 (47), BustoRhymes (97), Gadarene (105)
2	bopolis	Viggorous (41), jcohen (87)
2	Montecore	ihcjay (77), Mor_Tilt4mePls (15)
1	TheBrokenATM!	Stork.. (80)
1	Gadarene	Charry (88)
1	Mor_Tilt4mePls	Montecore (74)
1	ihcjay	LordJvK (46)
1	Viggorous	TehBankertin (58)
1	unvote	bopolis (40)
4	not voting	lilrascal (34), peskypenguin (5), Sili (0), TheBrokenATM! (30)

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07-20-2015 , 08:00 PM

#945

jcohen

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lissa2

this is true, he did "lock in" his reads of me and gad being villagers earlier

that said, i do think its pretty natural to change your mind on that, if you are constantly explaining to someone why you should be a villager and they just aren't having it

but still i think it'd be good for charry to explain this a little bit more than just "you should have figured it out by now so you're a wolf"

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07-20-2015 , 08:01 PM

#946

Gadarene

bussing tammates

Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 83,008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charry

Like we've played a bunch of games together and I've been a villager in a previous game with you much more recently than "a long time ago"

So your characterization of our meta is pretty trivially likely to be completely wrong

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07-20-2015 , 08:02 PM

#947

ihcjay

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Lord

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07-20-2015 , 08:02 PM

#948

TehBankertin

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Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 17,033

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gadarene

A couple of basic but important things that I feel the need to reiterate since multiple people itt have already purported to be ignorant of general game mechanics and card text:

1) There are no seers, so nobody needs to leave cover and the wolves will not be seerhunting.

2) There are no power roles at all, which means the wolves do not care about anything other than killing the best and brightest among us. Please keep this in mind if you have an angel tonight. It will be straight SPKs all up and down the line. This also means that we can probably put even more weight on the reads of dead people who were consensus villa than we otherwise would, because almost literally the ONLY reasons that the wolves will kill someone is if they are some combination of (a) right, (b) smart, (c) clear and/or (d) good at this game.

3) The above point will be slightly complicated if it is not clear from flavor who killed who, but presumably there will be kills that are made much more often by wolves than villas and we can draw inferences accordingly.

4) The modpeek mechanic is a crazy strong one, not least because it obviates the need for seer cover etc. etc. I was hoping we would be able to roll well enough to get someone to do it last night, and I really hope that someone didn't have the right cards for the combo and simply misunderstood the mana cost of Peek. Whatever. But here's the thing about the modpeek: It is only 100 percent reliable if it has peeked someone wolf. There is a weak godfather mechanic in this game if the wolves are able to contrive to Stealth someone who gets peeked; it's combinatorically unlikely, so we should assume that modpeeked villagers are >>>>rand villagers, but we need to keep this in mind for endgame scenarios if someone has been peeked villa and is still alive. By contrast, there is no miller mechanic, so if someone gets modpeeked wolf, they are always a wolf.

5) I was sabotaged last night. I out this in part because we can potentially draw some weak inferences about what the wolves did/did not use their mana on, given each night's known constraints, if we use our judgment to pool retrospective information. For example, if there had been a modpeek last night, the fact that a wolf used either Circle of Trust or Innervate and then Sabotage on me would have made it slightly less likely that the wolves would also have had the mana to play Stealth, which would allow us to discount the possibility of a godfathered peek even further. Also, there are probably conclusions to be drawn w/r/t the likelihood of particular actions n1 due to card removal stuff, but I'm not smart enough to tease it out and it's probably worth ~very little in isolation anyway.

6) By pooling this kind of information we can also get maximum utility out of track or watch cards. Like if anyone happened to watch me last night, then one of the people that visited me is presumably a wolf (absent weird and super unlikely confuse/redirect interactions, i guess, which will ~never happen n0 anyway). That would obv be useful to know.

some thoughts on players upcoming

sabotaged on n0??? I just read this jesus.