Nothing prevents it, obviously

It’s just (using that word again) weird to me

And people clearing you for yesterday is weird to me too

I don’t think anything I’ve learned so far excludes either of you from being wolves or villagers, but on the whole I still think the whole thing makes it marginally more likely that you are both wolves together (not more likely than not, but more likely than rand certainly)

We obviously haven’t played together much - I enjoy explaining myself

fnord made at least 2 shroops

one was odd (werid) but the second was definitely an edit, which is wolfy

so fnord is wolfy for a mutlitutude of reasons and if i decide not to push shortline, which will depend a lot on soah and dmk, i will be hard pushing fnord

fnord

Back to reading shortline...

and ill make sure im here tonight just to make sure you dont lynch someone i dont want lynched since y'all obviously cant be trusted when im not here ha ha i cant wait to see the comments on this one

soah have you commented on whether mass claims should happen today in your estimation?

pg 4

first post of KM worth analyzing, and this is what pulled me into V territory for her (and still does on the re-read). because at this point, those reads 100% match mine re: stephen/nez/VR

and this just pushes stephen even further into W for me

not going to quote the gigantic wall of text nich posted, but it was basically standard not really all that helpful role analysis stuff. i like his vote, but hate the reasoning/tone

this feels villagery too...

quoted for the lolz

i can't imagine where people are reading mets W unless it's just a tone read or something

i don't get the traz=V read from shorty at this point at all. i cross-posted w/ him above and listed all 3 of those people as wolves. which on re-read i still stand by. but why traz hard V?

this is a villager

dustin/soah on zurvan first early

3 stephen - 3 mets - 2 fnord - 2 zurvan

(a few random votes later)

2 mets 2 nez 2 luckay 2 chuck 2 patton 2 zurvan

nuggetz - aaron
traz - chuck
nich - chuck

4 chuck (km, mets, traz, nich)
2 aaron (luckay, nuggetz)
2 mets (patton, herbie)
2 nez (zurvan, books)
2 luckay (shorty, vr)
2 patton (stephen, nez)
2 zurvan (dustin, soah)

tons of wagons but now have one lead wagon with at least 2 villagers on it

books - shorty (from nez)
dustin - shorty (from zurvan)
vr - chuck (from luckay) villa points if chuck is villa
bobo - vr
dustin - zurvan (already on it)
stephen - vr
nuggetz - dustin (from aaron)
patton - vr (from mets)

5 chuck (km, mets, traz, nich, vr)
3 vr (bobo, stephen, patton)
2 dustin (outdrawed, nuggetz)
2 zurvan (soah, dustin)

bobo/stephen/patton got vr to the competing wagon, but from 0 rather than propping up any of the 2 votes, so villa points for bobo/stephen...patton was third, so it was picking between dustin/zurvan/vr at that point and zurvan was a wolf, so neutral or even slight wolf points for patton, but really neutral because this is super early, so nothing for patton from this


nuggetz - bobo (from dustin)
herbie - nuggz (from mets)
shorty - luckay
vr - stephen (from chuck)
nuggz - vr (from dustin)
fnord - luckay

nuggz going vr and vr jumping off chuck resulted in vr/chuck tied

4 vr (bobo, stephen, patton, nuggz)
4 chuck (km, mets, traz, nich)
2 luckay (shorty, fnord)
2 zurvan (soah, dustin)

soah - stephen (from zurvan)
nuggetz - chuck (from vr)
outdrawed - nuggz
fnord - nuggz (from luckay)
luckay - zurvan

5 chuck (km, mets, traz, nich, nuggetz)
3 nuggetz (herbie, outdrawed, fnord)
3 vr (bobo, stephen, patton)
2 stephen (vr, soah)
2 zurvan (dustin, luckay)

outdrawed/fnord push nuggetz up to go with chuck/vr...all still low numbers so doesn't mean much

nez - zurvan
zurvan - nuggetz
nuggz - km (from chuck)
patton - luckay (from vr)
fnord - luckay (from nuggz)
vr - soah
books - nuggz
soah - zurvan (from stephen)
nich - luckay (from chuck)
dmk - chuck
fnord - zurvan (from luckay)
nuggetz - zurvan (from km)

6 zurvan (dustin, luckay, nez, soah, fnord, nuggz)
4 chuck (km, mets, traz, dmk)
3 nuggz (herbie, outdrawed, zurvan)
3 luckay (shorty, patton, nich)
2 vr (bobo, stephen)

ok, so this is where the zurvan wagon went from 2 to 6...

nez, soah, fnord, nuggetz...all villa points because every step of that wagon increase was important and meaningful when the competing wagons were 3 and 4 large

no counters yet to zurvan wagon as fnord/nuggz were the last 2 on zurvan to push him up...closest is dmk voting chuck once zurvan got to 4 to tie chuck with zurvan


now, we get more posts once zurvan is the lead wagon...

dmk - nuggz (from chuck)
stephen - nuggz (from vr)
chuck - nuggz
patton - nuggz (from luckay)
vr - stephen
soah - stephen (from zurvan)
fnord - luckay (from zurvan)
fnord - stephen (from luckay)

dmk, stephen, chuck, patton all jump to nuggz...some wolf points if nuggz is villa...villa points if nuggz is wolf
vr, soah, fnord all go on stephen, bringing him from 0 to 3, helping giving another option to prevent us from focusing on nuggz/zurvan/chuck...with vig kill, wolves don't want a wolf on 2nd/3rd wagon so they can't afford for zurvan to stay near the top for long

current situation:
7 nuggz (herbie, outdrawed, zurvan, dmk, stephen, chuck, patton)
4 zurvan (dustin, lucaky, nez, nuggz)
3 chuck (km, mets, traz)
3 stephen (vr, soah, fnord)
2 luckay (shorty, nich)

now a bunch of votes happen that changes the landscape:

nuggz - stephen (from zurvan)
dmk - luckay (from nuggz)
fnord - luckay (from stephen)
patton - luckay (from nuggz)
nuggz - luckay (from stephen)
aaron - nuggz
books - nuggz
km - luckay (from chuck)

this leaves us at:
7 nuggz (herbie, outdrawed, zurvan, stephen, chuck, aaron, books)
7 luckay (shorty, nich, dmk, fnord, patton, nuggz, km)
3 zurvan (dustin, luckay, nez)
2 chuck (mets, traz)
2 stephen (vr, soah)

so zurvan went from lead 6-4-3 to second 7-4-3 to third wagon 7-7-3

dmk, fnord, patton, nuggz, km all jumped on luckay...most wolf points to dmk/fnord for pushing up luckay from 2 that had been there awhile to 4 and then patton got it to that critical 5 number as it had been tough all day for people to break 4 (only chuck,zurvan,nuggz had done it previously)

if any of nuggz/chuck/stephen is a wolf, then extra wolf points for dmk/fnord/patton...if all 3 are villagers, then it's more neutral because they could have done it on chuck or stephen, but really it then meant they didn't care who it went on between chuck/stephen/luckay so no villa points in either case for those 3

bobo - nuggz
mets - nuggz to save luckay (from chuck)
vr - luckay (from stephen)
soah - zurvan (from stephen)
dmk - nuggz (from luckay)

10 nuggz (herbie, outdrawed, zurvan, stephen, chuck, aaron, books, bobo, mets, dmk)
7 luckay (shorty, nich, fnord, patton, nuggz, km, vr)
4 zurvan (dustin, luckay, nez, soah)
1 chuck (traz)
1 afk (bravos)

bobo/mets/dmk vote nuggz to zoom past luckay and really cement the top 2 wagons close to night...if nuggz is wolf, they all 3 get major village points...if nuggz is villager, they didn't care which of the two, but given zurvan was 3rd wagon, they get some wolf points

soah goes zurvan at this point also when it was 10-9-3...could have realized at that point zurvan wasn't happening, but still villa points because being 3rd wagon again is bad with vig kill (as we see with last night) so i don't see a wolf really going zurvan at that point...this was also in last 15 mins so that zurvan vote from a high profile player could have kicked off a few others to vote zurvan and then all of sudden he's at top or 2nd, so i'm not voting soah for today

books - mets (from nuggz)
herbie - mets (from nuggz)
aaron - mets (from nuggz)
herbie - nuggz (from mets)
aaron - nuggz (from mets)
herbie - luckay (from nuggz)
soah - luckay (from zurvan)
dustin - lucaky (from zurvan)
books - nuggz (from mets)

we get the obligatory last minute mets push for fun, but they all jump back off pretty fast, so pretty neutral

at this point it's between luckay/nuggz (with wolf zurvan a distant third) so not much info until we know nuggz' role

if nuggz is wolf, then herbie is neutral, soah/dustin wolf points

FINAL COUNT D1:

11 luckay (shorty, nich, fnord, patton, nuggz, km, vr, herbie, soah, dustin, dmk)
9 nuggz (outdrawed, zurvan, stephen, chuck, bobo, mets, aaron, books, luckay)
1 chuck (traz)
1 zurvan (nez)
1 not playing (bravos)



Cliffs:
Soah major villa points, not voting him today

villa points:
dustin/soah
bobo/stephen
nez, soah, fnord, nuggetz

wolf points:
vr, soah, fnord
dmk/fnord

if nuggz is villa:
wolf points: dmk, stephen, chuck, patton

if nuggz is wolf:
villa points: dmk, stephen, chuck, patton
villa points: bobo/mets/dmk
villa points: aaron, books, bobo, mets, dmk
wolf points: soah, dustin

if any of nuggz/chuck/stephen is a wolf
wolf points: dmk/fnord/patton


as we learn more roles, i'll revisit this and look for more nuanced wolf/villa points and it'll get better and stronger...right now it's directionally helpful and also means i won't vote soah today

way too many nonvoters, we need to fix this asap to fix the wagons.

can we vote nonvoters? like chuckles

shortline

chuckles

i put the over/under on ppl reading that full post from nich at 2.5

I don't like posting like this in general & think it's fairly anti-village. But not necessarily wolfy? Idk. Like I get it if he had made an actual case which was getting ignored.

This is the kinda vote I hate...

I generally like this list, particularly the progression on Nez, but can you explain to me the Nich read? It's awkward...wolf equity, but slim. Is that a villa read?

I said yes. I was just about to ask again if that's the consensus seeing as how no one is doing it but also not objecting to it.

Still possible to ask only the seer to claim, but that's risky without knowing if the other power roles are among the peek/vig targets, and with a short day I'm not sure we can realistically come up with (and have time to execute) some other plan where people only claim if they are in a certain group.

So far I just read the cliffs :/

wolves don't feel any pressure at all right now because everyone is busy "rereading" the same hundreds of posts.

you get reads on wolves by keeping them under pressure while they're forced to post, not by letting them say whatever the hell they want while they have no fear of being lynched.

for all we know there has been exactly one (1) wolf wagon in the game so far, and it was the weakest wolf (in retrospect). how do you expect to have any sort of clear read on the wolves if they've been under zero pressure?

so voting for me - someone who's posting with abandon and who's personally led a villager wagon - seems to be the worst use of your vote if your goal is to gain knowledge.

if you're a villager, your goal should be to gain knowledge right now. there are a ton of unaccountable fluff reads in this thread. why are we permitting this? why are we not being more tactical with our voting?

i strongly believe only 1 person should claim and only if they have info we can act on

it'd be nice if we could say if you can directly implicate a wolf, claim by 5. if you have some lock villager info, claim by 7. otherwise, someone claim by 8 or something, so there's some order of precedence

i agree w/ basically everything

it's a perfect reason to have a shortline wagon imo

@jmurder you're gonna have a bad time if i'm the primary dude you're rereading

as a villager i tone read on day one, play the roleset, push hard for clear wagons and non-poster accountability, and usually solve the game by d3 (hence why i die early)

as a wolf i will do whatever the hell i want all of the time, trying to replicate my villager game, but not to the detriment of my team (i'm generally anti-bussing)

i haven't played in a decade. anyone who claims they know my role is full of crap. everyone in this thread has been lynched by me while I was a villager; everyone in this thread has gotten owned by me while I was a wolf; everyone here knows I've had great games and absolutely awful games. there's plenty of history but basically no meta.

i would suggest instead of reading infinite posts that you join my call for voting the non-voters and non-posters. it's still day 2. wolves have all their PRs left and may want to be lying low in this list of aggro players. we need accountability and participation, not shittons of long analysis of the heaviest posters in the game on d2.

you will gain absolutely no new information from wagoning me (a loud villager) and you will be providing excellent cover for the quiet wolves, so i am not sure you actually read my post

interestingly, most of the ppl i'm feeling sketchy on are in the "not voting" row...

in fact, KM is the only person that has voted at this point that i'm comfortable voting today (...and I am, or was)

yeah voting afk chuckles yesterday really got him to participate!!! and he probably would have gotten lyhnched yesterday if you werent insisting on people vogting luckay for no reason




lol nich

i read it. i dont really understand the groupings or why herbie is town if nuggetz is wolf .. he found a way to get off of him by voting me for 2 seconds and then luckay

it means its a lot of work to do as a wolf but not villagery besides the work. and even the work wasnt that helpful
i guess the hesitation for me calling him an outright wolf was him going back and reassessing fnord for me, but i dont htink i liked his concliusion

so it basically meant he coudl be a wolf but im not pursuing it at the moment


if were going to do it today, it should be soon imo in case pepole arent on later

if were not, thats fine too

This is the exact opposite of how I prefer to get reads.

and shorty, i didn't realize he was already voting chuckles here and his vote after this was just a re-vote

The reason I want a mass claim is that the odds of any one person knowing that they have actionable information for today is relatively low. The odds of us having actionable information if everything is out in the open is relatively high, but we won’t know until people start claiming.

I’ll claim right now if others will, but me claiming on my own won’t do much good I don’t think