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06-03-2015 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
This is actually a pretty blatant misrep of what Lord said a few posts earlier.
it also isn't even a misrepresentation much less a blatant one, and i doubt you could come up with an explanation by yourself, quickly, for how it was a misrepresentation

you're making stuff up, and you aren't even making it up yourself, you're plagiarizing from people who used the same argument yesterday

you've come up with no original thoughts yourself

maybe you're just a terrible, useless villager. but i think you're a wolf
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06-03-2015 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jcohen
lets keep recycling d1 arguments that have already been resolved, that will be productive! sorry for trying to derail this
Gosh jcohen, what would I do without you watching out for my best interests. I'm glad you're interested in making me a better asset to the town and aren't totally scumreading me.
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06-03-2015 , 05:58 PM
but please, come at me
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06-03-2015 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jcohen
we're over 40 hours into the game and 4 hours before eod, but its my fault for stopping you from being able to catch up with the thread
Ah, but catching up would entail rehashing (or was it recycling?) old D1 arguments, so it's a good thing I have you.
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06-03-2015 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jcohen
he also thinks I'm a wolf for misrepresenting posts of his other wolf who i tried to lynch yesterday
I voted you for misrepping me, not for misrepping Lord.

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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
I'm rereading the game and catching up.

First you attack me for having no reads.

Then you backslide into "your reads suck".

Then I push back and you retreat into "why people are still pulling quotes" when "people" clearly refers to me.

For someone who dislikes how 'consensus' my reads are you're pushing on things that are very safe yourself.

cohen
You are reading, right? ; )
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06-03-2015 , 06:01 PM
Votes from post 826 to post 1030
Night in 3:59:53

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3 Phoenicks jcohen (38), LordJvK (17), ShipItUp (30)
1 q_q No Lynches (8)
1 LordJvK thediceman (23)
1 jcohen Phoenicks (28)
4 not voting CPHoya (6), RAORoman (6), Sun Tzu (0), Unity (2)
1 Error q_q (35)
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06-03-2015 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Okay let me explain this. There is no contradiction.

There are two varieties of wolf.

1. The wolf that will try to blend in with the village through d1 joking about. This sort of player goes for a casual tone. In this game I've accused Vaimes of being this sort of wolf.

2. The wolf that will try to come across as analytical and helpful. This sort of wolf sits back a bit, they tend to be cautious, they tend to ask questions and see the lay of the land before pouncing on a case. In this game I've accused jcohen as being this sort of wolf.

The song and dance he's made is about how, taking these two views in mind, I'm leaving villas with a very narrow range of voting options.

This is obvious bull ****.

1. In the Vaimes situation, the player has literally 11 other options to go for. Namely, the 11 other players who are not on one vote. Going for the one guy on one vote creates a wagon and pressure.

2. In the Cohen situation he has 12 options. Not voting looks like arse covering and not wishing to make a mistake.

Cohen is trying to make out like I'm locking players into a false binary, but as I've just laid out, there is no such binary.
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Originally Posted by jcohen
right, you're just saying everyone is wolfy unless they vote for someone who previously had no votes - and make that vote early in the day
>"There are two kinds of wolves"
>"everyone is wolfy unless they vote for someone who previously had no votes"

Which of these things did Lord say? (Two guesses.)
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06-03-2015 , 06:05 PM
you talking about a post i already responded to?
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06-03-2015 , 06:06 PM
heres all of your posts. i don't even have to add anything because its obvious on its own how useless you've been

although i would like to point out how you loved my points against lord yesterday, yet today the same posts are suddenly wolfy


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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
You guys are activity junkies.

Will catch up today.
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
33 pages is a lot. Here are my thoughts on the first 5 to start:



Liked the honesty about his vote, and it went somewhere useful.



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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
So I really haven't done enough to justify being in this game yet, but I have time tonight so I will catch up. With ~15 to deadline, it's best to get some kind of vote in at all:

Evene
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
I intend to start catching up, but first, a word on the lynch:

I voted eve because he was a secondary wagon and I wanted to see if there'd be a switch. Of the two wagons with 2 votes on them, his was the highest on the votecount, so I went there.

Going to look at why his lynch became top once I'm caught up postwise.
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
Hey, me too.
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
Well, while you guys are all over there solving your mysteries, I'm going to chill with my bud SIU.

Hey SIU, how's it going? You in A^2? Do you think Christianity softened the Roman Empire? What do you think of Lord's #221?
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
Interesting that of the 4 most active players, only one (jcohen) was off the final lynch.

Lord -- you came into the thread with very strong theories about the optimal ways to play Day 1. Are you happy with how it turned out?
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
I was all ready for a "why so serious" joke when you gave me this weak vote. : (



This is a great post and I have nothing to add.



This feels like a misrep -- since the only time jcohen went hard was in the above post.
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
Opportunistic on what?
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
Psh -- there is literally nothing scummy about being the turning vote on a second wagon that flipped town. ; )

Though I did admit it was opportunistic.

(A^2 = AA = Ann Arbor)
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
I don't like this 1-2-punch from MD and Lord. (Why doesn't 2p2 nest quotes.)

jcohen starts building a case with strong feeling on Lord. (Ignore my earlier point about jcohen's posts from this era not being that strong.)

MD implies that it's just in jc's nature to make posts like this, he doesn't mean it.

Lord uses it to unvote and doesn't really address what's happening.

FOS: Lord, MD
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
Oops. It's past midnight. Will resume the holy crusade tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
Hey Lord -- I know you're busy voting me without much of a case, but since everyone dislikes the question I asked you, it'd be great if you'd answer it before I explain why I asked it.

No rush, I'm sure you're quite busy wall posting.
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
Yes -- because I had read 0% of the game and felt some contribution was necessary.

Would you have rathered I didn't vote eve?
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
I was busy until 10 minutes before deadline.
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Specifically:

12-8: Sleep for job
8-9: Prepare for job
9-5: Work job
5-7: Slept again
7-9: Gym
9-10: Cook and eat
10-11: Check in on mafiauniverse.net
[Tell your friends!]
11-11:45: Check in on other Maf games
11:45: Check in on this game

I'm a pretty transparent guy and can even provide records for most of that time, but at some point you stop being the stalkerish ones and I start being the creepy one.
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
It's actually a serious question.

Just because a townie was lynched doesn't mean it was a bad day 1.

Townies are lynched [large made up number]% of the time on Day 1 but they can't all be [arrrrgh]% bad days.
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
I had opportunities (actually, I think I posted once in the morning and once 2 am when the game started) but it wasn't a priority above working my job. And I can't prove that.

If this is the case against me -- great, I'll move on. I really can't add anything else without cluttering the thread with more conversations that only prove I'm unproductive.
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
Are you suggesting I was reading everything yesterday but intentionally not posting?

This is almost conspiracy theory-level in willing to interpret everything I do as scum, and really requires some more evidence beyond the "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" level.

(Thanks diceman -- you accommodating me doesn't give me a read on you, but if I had something more to go on it'd lean town.)
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This may be the funniest thing I've read all week.

I got tired and started making mistakes.
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Then go prove scum motive in my other posts.
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BTW: active players switching implies something town, since I think everyone would get suspicious if less active players started rigging the vote right at the end. No?
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Yes.

And you need to prove I'm wolfy, or there is no reason to lynch me.

Casually reading my posts last night shows I'm townreading you and scumreading Lord. And I like to think today's casual Wednesday.
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
Sun Tzu around Page 27 is making good points, nothing there seems wolfish.







q_q's post is just off the wall. When jcohen is making valid points about Lord "lord's not wolfy" is garbage in response.

It also gave Lord nice cover to vote jcohen, which I find interesting.
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
Mate:

Why are you pushing me when I'm already catching up? Don't backslide from "you have no reads" to "your reads suck" and pretend that you're being constructive in any way. You're just trying to pick an easy target.
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
Example please?
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
This is actually a pretty blatant misrep of what Lord said a few posts earlier.
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
I'm rereading the game and catching up.

First you attack me for having no reads.

Then you backslide into "your reads suck".

Then I push back and you retreat into "why people are still pulling quotes" when "people" clearly refers to me.

For someone who dislikes how 'consensus' my reads are you're pushing on things that are very safe yourself.

cohen
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
Gosh jcohen, what would I do without you watching out for my best interests. I'm glad you're interested in making me a better asset to the town and aren't totally scumreading me.
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
Ah, but catching up would entail rehashing (or was it recycling?) old D1 arguments, so it's a good thing I have you.
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06-03-2015 , 06:06 PM
and now you're trying to get me to say why lord is wolfy when I've already said i don't want to lynch him today
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06-03-2015 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
>"There are two kinds of wolves"
>"everyone is wolfy unless they vote for someone who previously had no votes"

Which of these things did Lord say? (Two guesses.)
this is the last ill speak of this. he said two things:

1. its wolfy to make the second vote on someone
2. its wolfy to not vote early

i summarized that and put in in one post. it requires adding 2+2 which is prob too much for you to follow
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06-03-2015 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
LordJvK, never ever changing, he did this complete bull**** to me as a wolf in the last mishmash, this is not a real thing that he believes because it is completely idiotic and also a completely obvious, demonstrated tell that I ranted about in that game and will rant about here. This is who we are lynching, full stop, I don't even need to read the rest of the thread.

This is, literally, EXACTLY what he did last time. This is not a thing.
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Votes from post 3 to post 821
It is night

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6 Evene RAORoman (29), Phoenicks (3), MD1616 (81), LordJvK (79), CPHoya (46), ShipItUp (166)
4 LordJvK Sun Tzu (54), thediceman (68), jcohen (94), Evene (46)
1 No Lynches q_q (72)
1 q_q Unity (10)
1 thediceman No Lynches (36)
Hoya's vote was all bravado, unless something pretty damning on Eve comes up to cause Hoya to switch (I really doubt it), this is looking pretty scummy.
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06-03-2015 , 06:13 PM
you think its wolfy to say you're never ever changing and then change shortly after?

why would a wolf do that?
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06-03-2015 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jcohen
heres all of your posts. i don't even have to add anything because its obvious on its own how useless you've been

although i would like to point out how you loved my points against lord yesterday, yet today the same posts are suddenly wolfy
"In order to prove how useless you are, I will do nothing." Help, help, I'm being brutally savaged!

Keep pretending that my sudden switch to scumreading you isn't because of this interaction. I also give you permission to pretend that the posts I liked yesterday and the posts I disliked today are 'the same posts' -- though you probably don't need my permission.

You are pretty clearly not interested in letting me catch up my way -- no matter what I do, there's something wrong with it. (And next you'll say that last sentence is proof that I'm pretending to be oppressed by you.)

When I reread posts, I'm "recycling old discussions".
When I don't state my reads directly, I 'don't have any'.
When I do, they suck.
When I change one, that's contradictory! (No ****.)
When I explain why, you go back to attacking me as useless.
When I post in depth -- well, let's see how you spin this one.

All of this is more than enough to justify a scumread on you, without me even needing to read the rest of yesterday.

Does anyone else see what I'm seeing with cohen?
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06-03-2015 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jcohen
you think its wolfy to say you're never ever changing and then change shortly after?

why would a wolf do that?
I could probably dig through your posts and find half a dozen moments where you say "that's wolfy" without ever explaining, but I'll answer this one anyways because I'm enjoying watching you spin this around on me.

If Hoya really, truly, believes that Lord is scum [so much that he doesn't need to read the rest he says], why would Hoya change at the last minute?

Is this a fair question to ask or am I being useless again?
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06-03-2015 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
To be clear I am in fact going to finish reading the thread but we're lynching LordJvK for lying about how he makes reads again.
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I'm full throttle on LordJvK must die and that it's embarrassing if he lives.
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Evene

this hurts me
You can ask all the leading questions you want cohen, but changing from such a strong vote to such a weak one 10 minutes before deadline is scummy.
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06-03-2015 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
Keep pretending that my sudden switch to scumreading you isn't because of this interaction. I also give you permission to pretend that the posts I liked yesterday and the posts I disliked today are 'the same posts' -- though you probably don't need my permission.
uh no, because this interaction was going on before you decided to scumread me. you prob did that once you realized i wasn't gonna let you off the hook without doing anything

but keep coming at me, please.
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06-03-2015 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
I could probably dig through your posts and find half a dozen moments where you say "that's wolfy" without ever explaining, but I'll answer this one anyways because I'm enjoying watching you spin this around on me.

If Hoya really, truly, believes that Lord is scum [so much that he doesn't need to read the rest he says], why would Hoya change at the last minute?

Is this a fair question to ask or am I being useless again?
you think villagers are less likely to change their mind on a read than wolves?


and I've explained quite a lot of my reads. probably more than anyone else. so gl with that
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06-03-2015 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Phoenicks
You can ask all the leading questions you want cohen, but changing from such a strong vote to such a weak one 10 minutes before deadline is scummy.
lol, try to learn what a leading question is

and no, it isn't. why don't you say the same thing about SIU? he switched at the last second too, without having really mentioned evene all day from what i recall
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06-03-2015 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
Also <3 EVENE
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NO HUMAN IS STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THIS AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID WHEN HE WAS LYING

LIKE THIS IS HANDS DOWN THE DUMBEST THING EVER SAID BY ANYONE ABOUT ANYTHING IN THE HISTORY OF MAN, JUST LYNCH HIM
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Don't talk, just get lynched, lol@u.
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Oh my GOD just lynch both of them, I've already solved 2/3s of the game, get rid of these clowns.
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Just lynch him, it's the exact same lie from about 1 week ago, holy christ.
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Honestly think the team is specifically LordJvK / MD1616 / SIU literally over 90% of the time.
Can I follow up on how Hoya switched for seemingly no good reason cohen-senpai?
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06-03-2015 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jcohen
lol, try to learn what a leading question is

and no, it isn't. why don't you say the same thing about SIU? he switched at the last second too, without having really mentioned evene all day from what i recall
Hm, I wonder if Hoya spent a lot of time talking about how Lord was scum or anything... Real mystery.
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06-03-2015 , 06:30 PM
keep pointing out the most obvious wolf-bait ever
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06-03-2015 , 06:30 PM
^Add a question mark and you have a leading question.
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06-03-2015 , 06:30 PM
seriously, why is SIU's switch not wolfy but hoya's is?

and why then are you not voting for hoya?
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06-03-2015 , 06:30 PM
^wasnt a question
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