This all seems like some wild assumption. Didn't we tell the moderator if we've played with anybody else to avoid such scenarios. We're all from different websites so I don't think it is such a valid assumption to say that mafia members are simultaneously playing together in other games.

Votes from post 8 to post 501
Night in 3:54:54
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
2	Mashiii	No Lynches (59), spruce (67)
2	Phoenicks	Jrdrylie (30), Gnawazan (19)
2	Gnawazan	soah (59), Phoenicks (43)
2	ashersky	nolemonplease (38), notquitethere (13)
2	Lissa2	Riki (48), Kawamii (33)
1	spruce	Mashiii (16)
1	soah	ashersky (34)
1	Jrdrylie	Lissa2 (26)

I agree with Lissa, the glory reasoning feels like a weird thing to tack on.

btw, regarding Jrdrylie, there's been some attempt made at making a "gotcha" case on him because he was giving conflicting explanations for his opening post. I'm too lazy to look up the stuff to quote it.

I just wanted to say that most decisions that people make are multifaceted. There is rarely just a single reason. You can ask a person three times to explain a decision and get three different answers. That stuff just happens and it's not a compelling foundation for a case.

I'd thought that you were reasonably villagery up until this point but this list of reads is pretty weak and you've done little in the hours since then.

Like, two of your three strongest wolf reads consist literally of saying that you have nothing to say about their posts. Most of the rest are pretty hollow as well.

If you're a villager then please step it up and show me something solid.

Mashiii -

You mention in that big post that you don't usually find strategy discussions alignment indicative. I think one of the things that's got Jrdrylie so far down on my list is that I saw a lot of mechanics talk early on and remembered little less. With trying to discuss the game 1 strategy talk, hypocopping?, and where to vote, etc. I tend to get evil reads on those who feel like they are trying to talk too much mechanics. On reread, it seems like there was more in there that just didn't stick out to me I guess. Conflicted at the moment.

I do have a question that anyone can answer, I think someone can answer this quicker than me looking it up. Who initially brought up the hypocop discussion? It looks like his post is a response to someone else talking about it.

Regarding Phoenicks, I think the pingiest part of his wagon vote was he provided a town read on the person he was voting at the time he was making it.

lemon,

The "hypocop" discussion began like this:

I was curious about this as well, and was wondering if there'd be some explanation when I caught up.

spruce - you paired Mashiii with Kami earlier? How are you reading Kami now?

I was more interested in looking for the source of Jrdrylie's post I'm quotting here, but I found the context. It was in response to Phoenicks who was responding to what you just quoted. Turns out that was easier than I thought it was going to be! Haha.

The fact that Kawamii was completely unmemorable for the first 24 hours is exactly why she was one of my biggest wold reads. Even when asked the response was that nothing stuck out and no opinion was given. There are different ways to play scum. Some go aggressive, trying to look helpful to the town. Others sit back, let others fight it out, all the while failing to take a stand against someone which could later come back to bite them in the butt. When I see somebody acting like that, as Kawamii was, they move near the top of my list.

No Lynches - The stream of posting at the beginning of the game felt confident/relaxed in a townish way, as I mentioned early on. His reasoning/thought process for his Phoenicks vote, while I'm not sure I agree with it, feels reasonable enough.
I agree with his general opinion that people who take jokes too seriously can be more likely to be scum, not thinking that's an alignment indicative statement though.
I like the thought process on his Gnaw read, feels townish. Same with his Jrd read.
Leaning town.

notquitethere - His 125 makes an observation I tried to make in I guess a bit of a clearer manner - that because experience isn't alignment indicative, lynching based on it would be far more likely to result in a "useful" mislynch than a scum lynch.
I like how he notes the contradiction he finds in jrd's posts and pushes for him to respond. I think it's interesting, however, that he later puts jrd in about the middle of his reads list, and doesn't comment on the contradiction there. Perhaps a bit of confbias led me to read too much into him calling jrd out on things, but this looks like something a scumbuddy of jrd's would do.
Though he voted jrd early and questioned him a lot, so perhaps not.
Am I reaching in seeing a connection there?
Maybe slightly leaning scum, not too sure.

Phoenicks - I feel like him admitting he was townreading jdr when he voted him was townish in its transparency. It wouldn't have been difficult for scum-Phoen to simply say he scumread jdr, with a few people having already expressed suspicion there.
And I think the wagoning-for-a-reaction thing is reasonable and townish. I've done it a few times, though it has to be used pretty cautiously in a game with majority lynch.
On him thinking it was L-1, that seems a tiny bit townslippy because if he was scum and had scumbuddies they'd be somewhere in the back of his mind probably and he'd know he had two and a three-person scumteam in a typical nine-person game is not a thing that is done in most places. This is weak though and fakeable and feel free to take it with a grain of salt or three.
His reaction when I questioned him about 107 felt fairly townish. I like how he questioned my motivation for asking. And with it in mind, 107 feels decently townish as well.
296 feels like it has a transparently Town thought process.
Town lean.

Riki - His 187 seems good, I feel like questioning someone's reasoning for thinking well of you is townish. His 280 lines up with what I'd kind of been thinking, that feels decently Townish. He has similar thoughts to me about Kawamii when said thoughts don't seem to be particularly popular and that seems like a good sign as well.
Leaning Town.

soah - He was the one that commented on that "impressions" list of nqt's I brought up last night, that seems like a good sign/Townish observation. Early on I mentioned that his 155 sounded slightly townish, and looking at it again I agree with my earlier assessment. And his posting just generally seems to consist of Townish thought processes, questioning, and reactions.
Town lean.

spruce - Starts out pretty fluffy, okay. Keeps being pretty fluffy. I struggled at first to find much he said that's really alignment indicative at all.
He voted Mashi on little basis, then sort of retracted/diminished that suspicion without moving the vote. I don't get why he voted Mashi in the first place.
I'm not sure what he was talking about with 'the "duh" stuff' - what did you mean by that, Spruce? And what does it have to do with scum having/not having daytalk?
Leaning scum.

I feel like calling someone Town and voting them in the way he did, while it doesn't look great on the surface, probably comes from Town. At that point, I don't think he'd said much either way on Phoen's alignment (he didn't have an earlier opinion to hold to or worry about contradicting). A couple of players had already called jrd out on his opening post; he could fairly easily have called him scum and probably looked better on the surface for it.

Kawamii was the last to arrive in the thread which is completely null in all of my experience, and of course a person isn't memorable if they haven't posted yet.

Once he was here he made a fair amount of splash, I would say.


You posted a list of reads last night and then when you returned this morning you said that you had reread the thread, and you moved some people around in your list. Surely you actually noticed Kawamii's posts? I struggle to believe that you would be content to have people near the top of your lynch list without even having a general idea of what they had posted. The whole purpose of rereading the thread would be to solidify your reads on those type of people.

I'm not going to make fake lists about my thoughts when in reality I don't have any.
My votes are an indication of my thoughts on who I find the least good because I really don't find anyone suspicious.
I'm not going to manipulate words and take them out of context to make a case out of nothing.

It's only day one and I see no point in overanalyzing nothing viable.

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Night in 2:59:57
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
2	Mashiii	No Lynches (59), spruce (67)
2	Phoenicks	Jrdrylie (31), Gnawazan (19)
2	Gnawazan	soah (63), Phoenicks (43)
2	ashersky	nolemonplease (43), notquitethere (13)
2	Lissa2	Riki (48), Kawamii (34)
1	spruce	Mashiii (16)
1	soah	ashersky (34)
1	Jrdrylie	Lissa2 (28)

Your votes would be a better indication of your thoughts if you included a little reasoning behind your votes would help. You said you had a town lean on me and spruce. And then you said you didn't trust soah.

Then you vote for Lissa, who you never mentioned once. Switch to Phoenicks, again no explanation. Then switched to ashersky, no mention of them ever, no reasoning. Then another switch to Lissa, again no reasoning.

I agree more or less with Lissa2's analysis. I originally found that suspicious of Phoenicks as well, but upon rereading the thread and noting that wagoning people in general seemed to be the way people built discussions on his forum, he's at least being consistent with the idea. The primary thing I don't like is that he thought he put jrdrylie at L-1, and I can't tell if that's a cultural difference or actual suspicious behaviour.

More than 500 posts in the thread and you really can't come up with anything?
Why did you randomly vote Lissa2 and why have you been voting so abruptly without explanation?

I mainly voted for Phoenicks because I didn't like how he purposely voted for someone he thought was good, but after he posted defending himself I felt like him being lynched would be a mistake.

It is a good point. Was just something I noted; don't think I'm agreeing with pressure about the L-1. I'm not really interested in lynching Phoenicks today, I think.

500 posts is not a lot of content to go on tbh

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these wagons seem pretty solid

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