Yeah, I see now. I thought her initial vote on NoLynches was just a random "pick a player" vote, and I expected it to go somewhere different later. At least I didn't take them very seriously.

I assumed he was referring to your posting generally being fluff. Technically speaking that may be considered discussion, but I agree with the sentiment behind the statement. Your posts were generally unproductive with regard to moving forward with the gameplay.

Wouldn't this theory require there to have been any amount of existing suspicion on me? How and why would I be trying to get suspicion off of me when none existed?

I've seen you explain about Mashiii, but why do you think I'm suspicious? Because of my voting No Lynches?

I'm just saying in general to not have any on yourself.
I didn't say there was any suspicion on you right now....

Yes I take all votes seriously, plus your general tone

i mean, i don't have a single problem with frequent tallies

but gnawazan hadn't posted for a while, comes back to ask for a tally, which is a pretty useless contribution and i don't see why that would be necessary in the first place, especially earlyish on d1

and he hasn't done anything since either

Relaxed tone and I feel like the "I don't need to make a case yet" is sort of townish, like he doesn't care if people don't like that. I suppose that is probably fairly fakeable, so I'll take it with a grain of salt, but this post still seems slightly townish.

Apparently I had some sort of opinion on this, because I quoted it, or maybe I clicked quote on the wrong post. But I can't remember what I thought about it. I'll put it here to see if I can remember later.

I'm not sure that really is alignment indicative, or Town indicative. I know there have been times I'll reread a post and get an entirely different vibe from it than I did the first time whether I remember the original vibe or not (sometimes I do, I'll go like WAIT HOW DID I THINK THIS WAS TOWN) and it might look like scum forgetting a stance, I'm not sure, but when I'm scum I might not be so inclined to flip on a post like that if I think it will be taken badly.

And to get more to my point, because I wandered off on a tangent there, if I thought I could be problematically contradicting myself as scum, especially on a stance that already might come across as weird, I'd check my ISO. As Town I wouldn't typically feel a need to do that because I don't generally care about looking Town. Though I suppose some people care more about looking Town as Town than I do.

So if anything that may be scum indicative, but it well may be null and I'm inclined to think that because some of why it seems scum indicative might be my own meta stuff.

Oh, NL said basically the same thing I did about consistency in like a tenth as many words. I'm slightly inclined to find it townish, but I'm not sure it's really an alignment indicative opinion.

main reason i didn't consider the scenario that he's mafia that cared too much about his reads being consistent was that he wasn't asked for a read, he was basically told that he had a read (which was wrong) and was asked to explain it

but like i've already said it's thin so yeah

You're first response to me was asking if I was paying attention or trying to make you look scummy. Since you use the word "or", I am assuming that you were saying that you knew he wasn't really at L1 and that you agree that putting somebody at L1 that early is scummy.


Now you're claiming that you really thought you were putting him at L1 less than three hours into day one. On top of that you've left him at what you thought was L1 for several hours.

How is that not pure scum behavior?? Hoping that a drive by or casual reader would hammer him.

Now, if you were trying to catch a snoozing wolf by stating he was L1 when he wasn't why would you then come back several hours later and state that it was a math error?

If I assume that you're a wolf and that you really thought you were putting him at L1, then I reach the conclusion that Jydrylie is likely town. But if you really were doing that then it was sloppy play by you as a wolf and I have trouble believing that in this game anyone would be that sloppy.

If I assume that you're a townie and was trying to catch a sloppy wolf, I'm left with the conclusion that you think others could/would be that sloppy. But then you came back and said that it was a math error which leads me back to you thinking you actually put him at L1.

So I'm looking at you being a sloppy wolf or you being a clever town who thought you could catch a sloppy wolf. Which brings up option three:

You're a clever wolf who knew that Jydrylie wasn't really on L1. I think it's possible that you're a wolf and you were setting yourself up to say "I voted him; hell I thought I was putting him at L1!". Now why would you do that? I'm brought back to your "are you not paying attention or are you just trying to make me look scummy?"

And that leads me to believe that that it's possible you're a wolf and that Jydrylie is also one. You voted in such a manner as to at least put yourself in a good light but also in such a way that Jydrylie would look like he was being fake symped.

also i don't know what to feel about you responding to that post but ignoring the other one

It just popped out at me when I was rereading. At first I kind of felt like it could be an attempt to deflect suspicion if someone DID quickhammer (like "I warned them not to do it, it's not my fault!), but after a little consideration that feels pretty stretchy especially in a game like this where we are all experienced. I suppose cautiousness is fair enough.

Townspeople lying can work if the goal is to catch the mafia knowing something they shouldn't know. But it needs to be done carefully.

Write an essay.

oh.

Pheonicks

i lack words

It took me 17 minutes to nest the quotes and write my essay. *shrug*

Soah
OK. I can sort of see the rationale for this.

So regarding this:

Doesn't it allow scum to be able to easily deduce who the cop is though?

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Jrdrylie
Sorry but this directly contradicts what you said:

You consider doing something novel and interesting (pressing a vote based on competence or bio) but clearly and consciously choose to play it safe and do something you always do. This is what I'm having the problem with.

If someone else had taken one of your rationales for D1 voting and applied it themselves (say, voting the least experienced player), would you have followed their vote? Or to put it a different way, did you expect (or hope) other players to act on these reasons?

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Phoenick
Sorry, wrong link. Now that I look back, I see you did respond. I'm used to seeing names lit up in bold. I'll try to be a bit more vigilant.

You say you like to jump on wagons to encourage players to do more. Has this vote encouraged you to do more?

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Riki, why the regrets?

Mess @ Phoenick tbh

i answered this a while ago

when i opened the thread i was shook by the number of words i was going to have to read

i'm only half joking

Riki
Ah sorry. I did look but as you point out... lots of words, easy to miss something even if you're looking for it (also, is it just me or does the forum take ages to load?).

Are you often successful in finding scum on your home board?

There are several of them on your keyboard. Just hit the keys in the correct order.


Yeah, the leap I'm making to Jydrylie being scum is a huge one. Hence my vote.

Phoenicks can't have it both ways. It was either a ploy or he thought it was 4/9. Those are contradictory.

Not just you. It's taking several seconds most times I refresh or hit preview/submit

Jrdrylie (4) Riki, nqt, Lissa, nicks
Phoenicks (2) Jrdrylie, Nolyn
ashersky (1) spruce
Gnaw (1) soah
Mashi (1) Kawamii
soah (1) ashersky
Visorslash (No lynches) (1) nolemon, (Mashi – only by intent)
Not voting: Mashi (sorta?), Gnaw

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Not quite a fan of Phoenicks' vote onto Jrdylie. I think the extra votes tend to bother me that they should. He reads okay, the vote was to get a clear wagon?

I think I'm interested is a ashersky vote at the moment.

I think gnawazan's reasoning makes alot of sense I want to see phoenicks reply tho