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08-07-2016 , 11:51 AM

#23101

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kinda think it's pumpkin pie then...

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08-07-2016 , 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Gadarene

One more freebie:

The inventor was presumably born in one of the countries listed in the prior question because that was the country in which the thing was presumably invented

Clarifying Q. I thought I might have asked this before. Is the birth location of the inventor "unknown", or "in question?"

If this is an "historical event", how can the country of the inventor not be known?

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08-07-2016 , 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ArcticKnight

Clarifying Q. I though I might have asked this before. Is the birth location on the inventor "unknown", or "in question?"

If this is an "historical event", how can the country of the inventor not be known?

As far as I know, the identity of the first person to invent this thing is not known today (or at least Wikipedia does not know it), hence the ambiguity

The first reference to this food came from a specific country, so I am treating that country as the country of the food's most likely origin (and, by that token, the country of the inventor's most likely origin)

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08-07-2016 , 11:56 AM

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records were spotty back then, historical events can exist even if we don't know all the details

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08-07-2016 , 11:58 AM

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Gad's last couple of answers are definitely making it seem like it's a food brought over to America from Europe

First Thanksgiving and pumpkin pie fit very well because of the time frame

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08-07-2016 , 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by xander biscuits

Gad's last couple of answers are definitely making it seem like it's a food brought over to America from Europe

First Thanksgiving and pumpkin pie fit very well because of the time frame

This is the opposite effect than was intended by my last couple of answers

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08-07-2016 , 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by xander biscuits

records were spotty back then, historical events can exist even if we don't know all the details

Yeah. I wasn't challenging Gad. I would guess he is equally surprised that the invention must be wiki-worthy, but nobody knows who invented it. Sometimes it is because different people claim to have invented it. Does not appear so in this case.

If you guys have a gut instinct on a food u should go for it..

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08-07-2016 , 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by xander biscuits

Gad's last couple of answers are definitely making it seem like it's a food brought over to America from Europe

First Thanksgiving and pumpkin pie fit very well because of the time frame

How about an ingredient or food that existed in North America that was brought back to Europe and made into something.. Sugar could be an ingredient (from sugar cane in the middle Americas). What other foods came to Europe from the west?

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08-07-2016 , 12:09 PM

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Pumpkins would be one North American food.. and you guys thought pumpkin pie..

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08-07-2016 , 12:24 PM

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let's think about the world in the 1600s

how would a new food be documented? In a book right?

No books are going to be credited to Americans in the 1600s

Even if pilgrims came over from Europe to America and then found pumpkins and made pumpkin pie (in that order) then when it gets written down it's going to get credited to a pilgrim and his home country

Or am I wrong?

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08-07-2016 , 12:28 PM

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maybe I'm getting tunnel vision here, it could easily be something else too...

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08-07-2016 , 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by xander biscuits

You are not wrong. I am just thinking that when Gad said his answer took a wrong intended direction, was he hinting that instead of looking Europe to NA, look NA to Europe.. If so, potatoes (I think).. maybe corn? sugar etc came over and some European invented some food with one or more of those ingredients.

But, you are right.. It is more likely that pumpkin pie was invented where the pumpkins were found. I am sure the concept of stuffing anything in a pastry (thus pie) must be old..

I really don't know Xander. I hung my hopes on ice cream, so I am lost here...

it may be leeroy time, and I just knew u guys tossed pumpkin pie around

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08-07-2016 , 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ArcticKnight

Potatoes. Don't know what fits the rest of the criteria though.

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08-07-2016 , 12:57 PM

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no one invented potatoes (well maybe god did)

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08-07-2016 , 01:06 PM

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Well, yeah, but what about potato salad? Is that originally German?

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08-07-2016 , 01:09 PM

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You are not wrong. IIf so, potatoes (I think).. maybe corn? sugar etc came over and some European invented some food with one or more of those ingredients.

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no one invented potatoes (well maybe god did)

No, but some invented French fries, vodka, etc...

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08-07-2016 , 01:15 PM

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Potatoes seem the likeliest food source, brought to Elizabethan England by Walter Raleigh, which might fit timewise, allowing a few years for them to reach Europe.

Did Gad say 'presumably' from one of the countries we gave because of the name French fries?

EDIT can't be, because they're usually served hot, not cold.

Can anyone think of a potato dish that's equally often served hot as cold?

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08-07-2016 , 01:23 PM

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^^^^

I cant.

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08-07-2016 , 01:30 PM

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It is going to be disappointing if this historical event ends up being the invention of prune juice or something...

Let's thing of something significant? Some dish that is kind of famous now

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08-07-2016 , 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

Well, yeah, but what about potato salad? Is that originally German?

It is a potluck mainstay in my part of the world, but never served hot.

Now I want some tater salad, though....yuuummm

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08-07-2016 , 02:18 PM

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Tomatoes were originally from the Americas - were they brought to Europe by the Spanish?
Were beans also?
Are baked beans as often served cold as hot (probably not)?