Geez VE, calm down..

[b]STS_za[/b, why should anyone have a town read on you?

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STS_za, why should anyone have a town read on you?

And the truly frustrating part is that it's completely null - he's just as likely to do it as scum as he is town. I really wish I could just OMGUS here and say he's scum for doing this, but as I said before, he's gotten in massive tunnels on me as town too.

why should anyone pay attention to your crap scum hunting? i'm not the one barking out orders like you and TTT

so in a game of 25 players, how many scum do you expect? 5? 7? 3?

you've also failed to comment on a whole bunch of poster who have not posted or contributed very little, i understand that it's tunnel vision to focus on the person calling you out on your **** but there is a whole bunch of posters who have contributed zilch. obviously we're both making an effort, bur your points have just as much merit as mine at the moment.

Okay, I've worked my way from the bottom to the top and don't remember why I quoted this, but it is a good post and has a lot of really concise and valid points in it and gives a great early read. Good job taking a stance.

This is a good post. I like this post.

Apologies, I didn't mean that you had to back off, only that people generally were doing so. I don't think his tone was forced, simply aggressive.

Logically, can you explain how not having suspects is beneficial? or anything about the first paragraph? Your reads are your value. Your reads, your vote, your role if you have one.

Also, the life of an individual is not necessarily as valuable as the information garnered from their death. It is often situational but D1 is pretty necessary. Otherwise the situation plays out as: No lynch, N1 kill of a quiet player (or multiple), D2 repeat of D1 or premature reveal of a PR.

Every read has impact. Create a list and put a single word beside each that gives any indication of your relationship to them in the game or thoughts on them and it is useful. Why would you want to hold onto your reads until a later date? What town motivation is there for that?

Hate this post. "If I were ____" = Since I am acting this way I have to counter-meta myself to pre-empt a point against me. How is stating that you prefer one individual over another buddying? Without buddying it could refer to playstyle, agreeing with ones reads over the other, general concensus on how town you think one is compared to the other, etc. Also, calling both town is premature. Edited out the second part for brevity.

I think I am going to keep quoting you when you say things I like. Your posts just ring genuine.

I'll second this statement but the post itself looks a bit.. forced? More like the player wants to be seen being helpful than they are actually being helpful. Could be the nature of the reaction admittedly, but deserves some watching.

This is the kind of post I expect to see from a townsmember getting into this game and the new scenarios it entails. Very reasonable, you get a gold star imo.

By the logic of your first line the game is already lost. Our variables are our ability to reason and analyze, our special powers, and our communications. Eliminating one without good reason serves no benefit. This goes for the rest of the post as well, which nearly serves as fearmongering.

This is a really good observation and something that I had written up in my notes as I was going through, though I think TTT said it better than I could have. However, I am not as sold on the slots.

Way too apathetic a response to someone seemingly excited to be here and that just completed a time consuming MQ. Quoted below for emphasis is what this was a response to.

And now on to my quick thoughts.

BLFG looks genuine in his posting and thus town, I really like how outgoing the slot is
Cookie looks light town to me, main read coming from post 224
TTT looks good to me as well
I really like Valar Morghulis's post style and that first post read really well to me.
Tommy Danger looks consistently townie and motivated to be here, seems to be enjoying a championship style game.
I don't mind the way that STS challenges everything but his/her opinions seem very... off as shown in my WoT, null read for me
Want to see more from Vagos, really want to hear from the players who have yet to check in
No idea why but Shin isn't sticking out to me at all. Am I glazing over that slot or are others experiencing this?

Don't want to quote the first Crabby WoT but the second Maki quote says:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maki_
If we have people who can kill at night, then we don't need to make things harder for ourselves by accidentally killing a villager with a random lynch.
So rather the town who can kill at night make things harder for ourselves by accidentally killing a villager.

Interesting views on a game of Mafia. I was going to FOS+1 but I see almost all the others share the same view. Strange.

I question this. Why does Crabby want to avoid going against the grain if he sees the situation differently? Overall, still like the post but this stuck out to me. Also, chances of hitting scum should be around 25%.

Actually, the more I read this first Crabby WoT (post 284) the less I like it. It isn't indicative of his thoughts or ideas at all, more a glorified catchup post with some repeated opinions tossed in.



@Chips Ahoy, I appreciated the info on Well Named


This is everything I got through page 20 from 11. As a courtesy I feel the need to inform all here that I will mainly be posting in the morning and late at night. At work in between I am on mobile and will be reading the game (thus can respond quickly if needed and will be up to date) but can't effectively play to my standards so will not post unless you direct something urgent to me and I do not need to add quotes or the like. The rest of my read-through should be coming soon.


BTW, before it gets mentioned, expect me to create lists of town reads like this all game. It is my playstyle, I state things definitively and I greatly prefer to townhunt rather than scumhunt.

Unless something causes me to change it by the end of this readthrough [v] chips ahoy [/v]

I would be voting STS right now but I can't actually see mafia making such a boldly wild early game. Bad fallacy to use as a reason for not voting but it is what it is until I get caught up.

oh, so only LOOKING as if you're making an effort counts to you. i can see why you think you read as town then

huh, have any of you guys played multi-scum games where there is two scum groups and an SK?

no, the logic of my first post is that if scum hunting was the sole contributor to winning mafia games, what is the point to a cop, watcher, tracker and doc? obviously these are to even the playing field. now D1 is the most uneven playing field as mafia KNOWS who their partners are and the rest of us are trying to figure this out.

add to this that this is a MASSIVE game, there are 25 players in it. now i'm expected to have scum reads by the next morning. please.

unlike some of us, we try to make a decision based on everyone's contribution. it seems some arrogant people simply want to lynch somebody due to inflated sense of scum hunting abilities

and who are my suspects? i don't know. i'm suspicious of TTT now based on behaviour. if you want honesty, that is who i'm suspicious of up until this point. i'm still trying to make sense of people's logic and reasons.

being wrong is not a scum tell, suspecting somebody you think is town is not a scum tell, defending yourself is not a scum tell, sleeping is not a scum tell. wake up, you're not on your forum any more

I initially didn't like that MQ by Darth as it was mostly praising, but those reads at the end feel very genuine to me and it reads really town.

STS what do you think about Shin?

really? it seems very insincere, just like TTT's posts. both him and TTT are suspicious to me, but i don't know enough about them to be certain

Yeah there's a decided difference between what Darthe did there and what Crabby subjected us to earlier.

I hope Crabby's got something substantial to say when he gets back.

Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you here. Insincere in what way? It seemed genuine to me.

i was actually reading thru his posts now because you were suspicious of him but i forgot why i thought he was town i'll brb

Who's Rayn?

If you can guys try to use the names here not ones one the home forums. Even if it feels weird. You know for being a team player's sake. And all that sappy bull****.

Why this post?`You even went into my profile on teamliquid to copy + paste my sig and now you are pretending you do not know who is rayn?

It's BLFG - I've been trying, but in my anger it's slipped a couple times. My bad.

i do not know him well enough and admit that i could be wrong, just how he posted seems strange

i agree he looks genuine, i disagree with BLFG tho


cool too

i disagree with this, but he is entitled to think who he wants is town, i could very well be wrong.

this is where i just feels strange, complimenting players while stating your opinion seems like you're trying to be agreeable and diplomatic

again, but i don't know him so he could just be a nice guy

he is even diplomatic with me

stating you want to hear from players carries very little weight, i feel you either ask them questions or vote pressure on them with votes.


even *I* can can see why Shin stuck out to you, because i can put myself in your perspective. stating this seems like a way of dismissing him

why is it strange? these seems like a useless comment

25%? in a 25 player game? this also makes little sense

i feel we can give Crabby another chance to make another post, lambasting him for very little posts and not forgiving him for being asleep seems like it's an easy spot for people to simply put their vote and their suspicion. there is a sure who hasn't posted yet AT ALL, and could be cruising through day 1

you make a lot of assumptions. many of which would be bad reads since there's really no evil motive.

I'm on my phone thats why.

but if you're that interested in my life I really need a housekeeper. but its a volunteer position. it's available though!

@VE

Ignore you? Is that a joke? Ignore the person pushing a lynch and then get called out for not being able to respond?

Despite not having a town read on me this....this so much!
First of all calm down. Second, what does it matter if you weren't here? Do the posts disappear after two hours? No they're there until whenever for reference. You're being ridiculous now, you think my defense was in this one post? You haven't even considered half of it. Did you even see any of my discussion with BFGL and Tommy? You didn't even reference the actual post that got BFGL to relieve his pressure on me. To simply sus me is one thing. To push the lynch for such bogus reasoning is another. You lose credibility arguing like this.

You are the brick wall here. You just sus and sus without taking other things into consideration. You're the one who's tunnelling. You have nothing.

There's a reason I have so few votes even under sus. Candour is hard to fake.

25%-33% is usually the makeup of the main scum on our forum so that doesn't seem very unreasonable to me.

i may have read wrong, i read that he said he has 25% of being scum. i don't think people can make calls like that so early

Actually this is probably an important thing to point out as it's nowhere near 100% clear to everyone. Especially as i know there are forums that play setups like 16 vs 2, mafia KP = 1 and towns still somehow manage to lose those games.. Probably because they do that randomlynching with no discussion every day..

Yes I have. I doubt that's the case here though.
As I said candour is hard to feign. Your instincts regarding me were correct.

I also have no intention of making you angry (don't see why you would be though). So I'm gonna leave this debate with you and get back to scumhunting because it's starting to be clear from a couple of positive opinions and the generally small number of people sus'ing me that a lynch on me isn't going to happen any time soon. I've been honest all game and overshare is what got me here but there's no reason to change that behaviour. Some people are starting to see it.