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02-08-2016 , 04:23 PM
I'm liking pretty much everything Tappo is saying so far, from a logical point of view, but I know he's a very strong player so am treating him with caution. Villa lean for now though
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02-08-2016 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BenjaminAO
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So you agree that this is in both ranges but you want me to reiso you and get a villa read from it?

QB just added that he's seen this same exact thing in a wolf game from you

You want me to trust you, and just believe that you're villa even though you just claimed that you'd do it as wolf.

I can't believe a player like this is truly thinks he is playing purely.
Benji has become infuriating in a way I did not notice during the Genius game.

Probably a good thing for his alignment
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02-08-2016 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoving
Yippiyayeah, 20+ PRs, nothing big for me.

Have a beautiful day you guys - I will be villaging.
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Originally Posted by tappokone
Shoving

Don't mind me. I'm just voting to vote.
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Originally Posted by zdye724
So let me get this straight

A player is saying he "will be" a villager

And you don't think that's notable?

Maybe he's just a wolf "for now"
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Originally Posted by Gadarene
yeah, i read it in the same vein as "I'll be your host for this evening"

someone who says "I'll be your host for this evening" is already your host for that evening

maybe you're right, though, and he decided to out himself for no reason with his first post of the game by telling everyone that from that point forward he was going to pretend to be a villager

seems plausible for sure
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Originally Posted by zdye724
Well it's not like he open claimed wolf

Perhaps it's more in the vein of someone saying something like "if i'm a villager." That post does not sound like that person knows he's town.

Plus he hasn't posted anything else, so it's not like there's any other points in his favor

I think it's a fine early d1 vote and see no reason to criticize it
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Originally Posted by tappokone
Shoving's post was a bit awkward in general and the first line was entirely pointless.

Also, I wanted to vote for someone.


If you're trying to read Shoving from tone, start over and try again. ~95% of Shoving's post are going to sound wolfy because he is a German trying to speak English. Voting him wolf because of his sentence structure is pretty terrible.
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02-08-2016 , 04:24 PM
Opinions about Monstr recent posting needs to be answered by everyone here
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02-08-2016 , 04:24 PM
OK, all caught up but jfc, I am not reading all those tl;dr posts.
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02-08-2016 , 04:24 PM
I was reading Benjamin as wolfy earlier (I think I even saw him admit he was wrong at one point!?) but this relentless and probably incorrect tunnelling from him on monstr here kinda suggests he's a villager. Jury's still out there.
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02-08-2016 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by zdye724
That's weird

I think today is less fluffy than most d1s

And this isn't a mishmash, there really isn't much to do today anyway
Are you insinuating I've played a lot of V+ games? That's an odd insinuation to make.
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02-08-2016 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by fmxda
The meaning of that sentence is "with regards to apoc, it's wolfy to be a nit but not be thinking of people's roles." It's not specific to your meta, although the wording is unclear in retrospect
ok thanks

nevermind then
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02-08-2016 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mexineil
I'm liking pretty much everything Tappo is saying so far, from a logical point of view, but I know he's a very strong player so am treating him with caution. Villa lean for now though
Never played with tappo so I may just sheep your read on him for now since I agree completely with you on gad
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02-08-2016 , 04:26 PM
My general feel in terms of new reads is I think gardene is villagy. He has answered all questions and seems to be responding relatively quickly to questions.

As for him changing tone, I sometimes find myself changing tone if people are reading me villager then think I am wolfy for reasons I feel are unjustified. But in general, my experience with Gad is limited so idk how to read him really.
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02-08-2016 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mexineil
First read - Gad seems hella wolfy

He's come in with a certain tone, and after a few people started calling him wolfy for it, he's tried to softly drop in a couple of different excuses for why he might be acting differently - "i had 2 glasses of wine at lunch" and "it's weird playing again after modding"
i'm just gonna shrug at this post and observe that you, intentionally or unintentionally, have completely misinterpreted my post about playing vs. modding

but i suspect it's an inexorable feedback loop now, which is gonna be lots of fun
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02-08-2016 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BenjaminAO
Opinions about Monstr recent posting needs to be answered by everyone here
How much have you played with monstr? I assume not a lot. Many of us here have.

His reaction is exactly in line with what I expect from villamonstr. The only thing that gives me any doubt is that phrasing you picked up on of 'I'll make everyone believe you're wrong', but that is probably just nothing.
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02-08-2016 , 04:26 PM
FMXDA looks pretty good. I think mucks was justified for suggesting he was wolfy earlier though.
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02-08-2016 , 04:26 PM
WHY IS IT WRONG? HAS EVERYONE PEEKED HIM

Mexineil and Apoc are very strange, and need to ****ing tell my they know his alignment for certain with only half a day in to the game.

Please tell me o' great ones how you both just know he is a villa with no doubt, because this is a how a villager should play WW day one

Thanks for giving me three wolves already
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02-08-2016 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Gadarene
i'm just gonna shrug at this post and observe that you, intentionally or unintentionally, have completely misinterpreted my post about playing vs. modding

but i suspect it's an inexorable feedback loop now, which is gonna be lots of fun
We'll limit this to a couple of replies if possible - but how have I misinterpreted it?
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02-08-2016 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BenjaminAO
Monstr would read me wolfy if he was villa here

Instead he knows my alignment and is thinking about the chances of me being mislynched, which are low aorn with a good amount of villa reads from my play

So he instead decides to put down my level of play in WW, this is a commonly used post against me when I attack a wolf who's played a lot
This is really not Monstr's style imo, he has too much uncontrollable emotions & empathy
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02-08-2016 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by theycallmehail
Are you insinuating I've played a lot of V+ games? That's an odd insinuation to make.
To my knowledge, hail has only played 1 v+ a bunch of turbos and 1 long vanilla game. So this structure is much more fluffy than what you would see in a 13er imo.
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02-08-2016 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by zdye724
I don't think any of your bottom 3 reads are wolfy

You get to go into the suspicious pile
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Originally Posted by BenjaminAO
Well I would walk you through why each is wolfy but then again this post from you seems very howling,

You don't ask why I read them in a certain way, you just think since I disagree with the sure handed Zdye on reads I must be scum since I'm not thinking along the same lines.

Seems like a villa play
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02-08-2016 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mexineil
How much have you played with monstr? I assume not a lot. Many of us here have.

His reaction is exactly in line with what I expect from villamonstr. The only thing that gives me any doubt is that phrasing you picked up on of 'I'll make everyone believe you're wrong', but that is probably just nothing.
SOMETHING MAKES YOU DOUBT HIM BEING VILLA

And you're just going to "look over it"

I'd do that for a wolfbro too man
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02-08-2016 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by mexineil
fmxda has had a couple of very villagery posts, particularly one calling out Gad
heh

always quite the coincidence when the villagery people are the ones who happen to share your reads
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02-08-2016 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BenjaminAO
How is this a villa line of posting from Monstr

I ask questions about his reads, he attacks my intellect for not TRUSTING HIM WITHOUT ANY DOUBT

And the reason I should trust him is because he can do this as both alignments.

Then he says that he won't respond to me again? Why because I'm trying to discern your alignment?

I'm being the one trying to make sure I'm not over looking someone too easily and that makes me bad? and stupid?

You're a wolf, this never comes from a villa
I have no words left for this argument and only the capability to show you just how wrong you are. I will do this despite that you will incorrectly read me wolf likely for the rest of the day, and, if we both survive the night, the next day too.

I have already assessed your playing style as "the tunneler" where you pick up something you believe to be a legitimate tell and you just run with it, even in the face of being shown several times evidence to the contrary. As such, I have discerned that you have done exactly that, incorrectly, against me which is exactly why I am pretty much 100% convinced you are a villager at this point, especially since you are basically more mad that I insulted you than you probably believe I am a wolf. I don't believe you're capable of faking this level of emotion as a wolf. Can I be wrong? Sure. Can you be a wolf? Yeah, of course, but I don't believe so and it's completely unproductive to consistently go back on yourself in this game over and over than to come to a correct conclusion, with confidence, once and loudly state that your opinion will not be easily overtaken

So yes, I have read you as a villager. Yes, I understand you assume right now and will continue to assume despite this and probably many other responses that I am merely trying to pocket you when in fact I am just trying to act as if I am correct because it's the only way I know how to play the game

and I also believe I am

I have nothing but the truth on my side and it is no longer my problem to try and convince you that you are wrong. It is up to you to make the correct read, not me.
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02-08-2016 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by theycallmehail
You are in need of a sarcasm detector fyi
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02-08-2016 , 04:28 PM
Lord still feels wolfy to me as well. But leaning on voting lissa if she doesn't start doing some stuff.
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02-08-2016 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BenjaminAO
These aren't villa thoughts, it is a wolf trying to dissolve pressure that he can't take on normally

You will "make everyone else believe I'm wrong" That is the most non villa sentence that has been said ITT

You can self vote now

Monstrman
I'm not doing monstr isn't a wolf

But your reasoning on him is wrong

He posted the exact same way in a game on [redacted] and we lynched him and he flipped villa
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02-08-2016 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by theycallmehail
If you're trying to read Shoving from tone, start over and try again. ~95% of Shoving's post are going to sound wolfy because he is a German trying to speak English. Voting him wolf because of his sentence structure is pretty terrible.
Noted, however I don't think the rest of his work today has been villagery

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Originally Posted by theycallmehail
Are you insinuating I've played a lot of V+ games? That's an odd insinuation to make.
I have no idea what you're talking about
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