im here and need cliffs

before I forget, I want to correct myself that bsball's post about the me/OTI relationship was almost entirely correct as far as the logic goes. the error was only in an irrelevant detail, not the primary point. alice explained it here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=305

bsball: what you said about me saying that I "didn't think you were a wolf" in some game rang a bell vaguely so I went to see if you were correct. I skimmed through all my posts in that game and saw nothing that referenced you at all. I ran a search for the word "wolf" in my posts in that game and then rechecked those posts more carefully. None were about you. I searched all of my posts in POG for the phrase "I don't think he's a wolf" and found only 3 results, one of which was quoting your post here, one quoting Telcontar last game, and one from a turbo in 2008. I searched a couple similar phrases and still came up with nothing.

In any case, if you wish to pursue this further you need to clarify whether you're doing so because you believe I'm a villager who is misreading you or a wolf who is making stuff up. I can't do anything about the latter, but if it's the former then you're chasing a dead end. I remember very clearly my reaction when I saw the wolf roster right after I died. I was not at all surprised and I was a bit disappointed in myself for not having realized that I should be giving you more attention. The results of that game will probably make me more prone to falsely accusing you in future games but only because I'm going to be paying more attention to you on d1, thus hopefully catching you more often when you're a wolf but sometimes being wrong too. I'm far from 100% certain on you. However, when you say that you responded to my post, what you actually responded to was the stuff I included about aao's case on you. I'm not voting you for aao's case.

this is very wolfy

sooted was thrown down from a cliff

toganim

great, you got the joke - nice to know spanish people have a sense of humor

unvote

xD

I wanted to do a multiquote with potential peeks- but found this and stopped.. its gotta be it

dont stop now togs!

xD

is it wrong?
on page1 i saw the bsball vote and decided to quote it, but seeing that one makes me think it was wrong

1. yes, i agree - and yet alot of very strong players misread me
1a. samplesize is pointless, sometimes you just get a soulread on people. the danish chick, tuznelda, read me like an open book in the first 3 games we played on the danish site
2. one should always try to differ ones games but a wolf gf shouldnt play different from standard wolf imo
3. theres no such thing as an easy clear - and im bringing it up cuz i would expect you to pay more attention to me (e.g. like "oh zup toga, you fear my soulread" or something like that) and since you dont, i find it odd

read the post above - and no, not nessecarily a wolf lean, but its something we can talk about and i can see your reaction

LuckayLuck: You should consider that using metagame reads on someone you haven't played with for almost two years (I think), on someone you read poorly in the first place, is perhaps not a winning strategy. Assuming you're a villager, all you're accomplishing right now is to take away from that last game we played together where you subbed in and called me a wolf immediately and were right. Because based on the case you've put together so far it looks like you don't have the slightest clue how I play. You keep talking about what I would and wouldn't do as a villager. I think your head might explode if you read some games where, for example, I posted nothing but emoticons for all of d1.

There are reasons to think that filthyvermin is a villager. I have weighed these things. I would certainly agree that he had some villagerier posts after I first voted him. The difference between me and you is that I started out from the standpoint that he was the wolfiest thing since sliced bread while you had him as someone whom you could make some sort of specious case on which didn't ever mean much in the first place. He has not made any post that I think is impossible for a wolf to make. He has made so many posts that are so incredibly rare for villagers to make that it is very difficult to conclude that he is someone who should not be lynched. Your reason for clearing him was that he had an explanation that was "too fantastical" for a wolf to post, as an explanation for why he did something wolfy. Most of the rest of your defense of him was either irrelevant or worse. You didn't even name a single one of the reasons that I would give for him being a villager.

Your entire treatment of him reminded me immediately of the turbo you played where you were wolves with val and you started voting him without much reason so that you could then clear him when he did the "val tell" which was ridiculous because his tell was such a cliche by that point (link). I think it's perfectly plausible that you are a villager who is deluded into thinking that you know how to read me. I also find it plausible, albeit less likely, that you are simply repeating exactly what you did that last game as a wolf because that's the type of thing that you do when you're a wolf. Your entire exchange with filthyvermin left me unsatisfied because imo you missed out on basically all of the key points on both sides of the exchange. You frequently approach reads in a different manner than me so that doesn't worry me too much. The nagging concern is mostly from the fact that it didn't feel very genuine.

Yeah its wrong. This is the fake peek 100% no questions asked. DUCY?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=217

whats the "val tell" ?

Felix posted some things that concerned me. I started to look over his posts and noticed that he showed up near eod and posted a bunch after having been away for a couple hours. Wolves usually do the opposite of this. So that alone is enough to keep him out of my top tier list for now. I think I got distracted before I finished reading his posts cuz I can't remember anything more about them, so we have to leave it at that for now.

Speaking of eod posting, after making a pretty questionable entrance, Larry became super villagery.

whats ducy?

also, someone being "super villagery" gets trumfed by "you're a villager" iirc

no

i think sun voting for a non-wagon with 1 min to go is bad

it's similar to acting like systolic when you get votes, but without being an obnoxious douche

ahh, i just looked up ducy- i thought you were calling me a doucebag or something

i still dont agree on that being the peek

it is bad, but tbh I don't think I've ever seen him remember when night was or have his vote on a wagon

It's easy to miss. For some reason it caught my eye. Try one more time to figure it out before looking at the spoiler

if that's supposed to be his peek post, I don't even know which player it's supposed to be

nice, didnt notice