Something about the EOD was odd yesterday so I went back and had another look. Found 2 people say something and then completly go back on it.

This is a good question from tapp, I think he is villa.

Important. Look how he says we cant lynch chrja if he doesnt come back.

Seems like an odd thing to say. Why cant someone be away from their computer for a day? What if they came back and the game was in night mode and he couldnt post?

Says that chrja is probably genuinly away from his comp as he doesnt go UTR in either role.

Seems like a reasonable read.

Now he really wants to lynch chrja. He still hasnt come back to the thread, so why is he now so deserving of being lynched?

Votes DB

Changes his vote to chrja, who he has been pushing.

Wants others to join him

Noah doesnt want to lynch Chrja either.

Chrja has gone from someone who shouldnt be lynched today to a great choice.

Makes his vote on Chrja really clear.

Now Noah is voting for someone he didnt want to vote.

REALLY wants Chrja lynched.

Annie tries to jump on but its 1 min past and doesnt count. This was probably just self preservation.


Mac had a vote on Chrja, but it wasnt in the last 4/5 pages so it must have been left there from early in the day.

Why was bsball so desperate to lynch chrja? He seemed like the worst person to vote for yesterday.

If someone makes 0 posts, there is a good chance they are not around. Also chances are high that they will either be subbed or mod killed, why would we want to waste an important village lynch on this.

bsball8806 care to explain why your best lynch is someone with no posts?

Voting record analysis - TimeLady

Going through the wolfy voting records first. Don't worry, I won't be tunneling TimeLady, just going to be systematic, starting with the more shady ones to the less shady ones.

This is TimeLady's D1 in closer detail:

Original vote on soldier, right when the wagon is starting to get rolling. Current wagons at that time are magic, monte, DB, with a similar amount of votes.

Responding to bsball asking if this is the best she's got while quoting her vote post.

Agreeing with bsball statement that he doesn't like a monte wagon but other he likes are DB and magic and he prefers DB over magic.

A small flurry of votes onto soldier and TimeLady is uncomfortable enough to say something. Has already stated that she agrees with bsball on liking a DB (>) or magic wagon (who she was on earlier) but doesn't change her vote, even though DB (her stated and agreed preference of those two) is still a viable wagon choice.

Wagons at the time.

This is interesting. She's talking with Annie about his tunneling and hard pushing of the soldier wagon. It sounds like a defense with regard to soldier against the things that annie in insinuating with his repetitive skype talk. Still her vote is on soldier.

Reassesses her view of the wagon and reaffirms her vote.

Wagon shortly gets some more votes and becomes the runaway her 'icky' comment was perhaps fearing originally.

Questioning my vote of her as I've become uncomfortable with the runaway and how it's forming and am trying to CFD.

Some fluff/commentary. She's keeping up with the thread and is right there with it.

Asking me who I would suggest as a second solid wagon/CFD.

Again arguing with annie over his reasoning for pushing the wagon so hard.

Responding to me answering her question about other wagon options by defending shadow.

More discussion with annie over skype issues.

Refuses to CFD, even onto one of her wolf suspects.



Summary:

Voted soldier as soon as his wagon got rolling without mentioning him before at a time when there were three other viable wagons (magic, monte, DB - two of which she expresses agreement with at the same time as keeping her vote on soldier and making comments that the wagon got 'icky').

Doesn't seek to move her vote to match her expressed thoughts when there was still time.

Instead spends her time chit-chatting with annie and disagreeing with his reasoning in a way that almost comes off as a defense (or at least doubt of the wagon's formation and progress) of the person she's voting.

Doesn't want to CFD even onto one of her wolf suspects so late, even when the soldier wagon becomes completely runaway which was an early concern of hers after a flurry of votes and she then dismissed (and then it became a reality).

Conclusion:

Hate her EOD, which I talked about yesterday. TimeLady responded to my post and I liked her response. Now on to her EOD2, which took away from my returned confidence in her after her response.

In the arbiter game I had you as a wolf suspect sooner than most. And you would have made it to day three if it had been left up to the voters. I'm not going to clear you for simply not getting yourself lynched.

While I'm on the topic of the arbiter game, the way Luckay caught you there was pretty impressive. It would give you a good motive to kill Stern Judge if you thought he was Luckay.

Who, out of the people left in this game, is good at reading you? In particular, who has figured you out by day two?

OMG! Red flag, danger Will Robinson.

Does anyone else find this way way way sketchy?

First, Plough is in his second game, yet now he says he's played several games with chrja????

Find it suspicious of you to do selective quotes.

Where is the post where he says they play on a different forum?

Who's your other wolf lean? I assume I am one of them.

So you literally just got back to the thread at 3:59, saw the wagons, and popped in your vote? I have a hard time buying that.

"Chrja(have played lots of games with him, both on another forum and on Skype"

I retract. Sorry I missed that one in my exictement. Just remembered he said he was in second game here and thought it fishy.

You are correct. I stand corrected.

Doesnt matter what you have a hard time buying. I opened the thread and there were like 3 mins till eod. I checked who the wagons were and voted.

Also you know my other wolf lean was willi, so why ask?

I do like the effort magic put into this post though. Bleh.

Magic, do you agree the fact that we haven't seen any POKE (in-thread masonry Chrja organized as a villa with other cleared villagers in Pokemon for everyone else's info) like action from Chrja yet makes him more likely to be a wolf this game? I've only played with him a few times but villa-Chrja is a lot more involved. I think he'd try and stay involved and phone post a few times as a villa even if he was busy, but that's just my opinion.

Thoughts?

Its still early days. Im not ruling out that he could be a wolf, but I HATE people jumping on someone that hasnt been around. He was here early day 1, sounding villagery, then hasnt been around again till today.

When we see what he does today and maybe tomorrow it will be easy to decide if he needs to be lynched. Doing it on a day when he has made no posts is either just stupid villagering of obv wolfin.

Also do you know where he is from? How is their phone technology there?

Im in NZ and im never using my phone to come on here. Its really slow and data charges are far too high. I assume it could be like that in other parts of the world.

Has he made posts from his phone before? If not why would you expect phone posts from him?

Bolded is a really good point; I'll have to go back and check to see if Mac speculated anywhere ITT about SJ's identity. I know SJ reminded me of Luckay so even if Mac didn't mention it it's something to consider.

A brief counterpoint re: Mac:

I've played with Mac a lot (relatively, based on my experience) and I think I can read him pretty well. He doesn't seem as wolfy to me this game as he did in Apartments, where we lynched him on D5 or 6 as a POE lynch, as he and Luckay were sort of not posting a ton and pretty much had to go (both were villa fwiw). Nothing I've seen from him so far makes me lean wolf on him, and I certainly wouldn't wagon him today in any case. That being said, Mac's villa game doesn't really scream villa so he's hard to clear.

Nice reads. Does it make you reconsider your read on me? Or am I the only one that does that?

Sorry, I emptied out the "tunnel Magic gazz" file in my brain for all of yesterday because of Apartments.

Now that I think about it, having wolfed with you I don't think you would bother coming into the thread to vote that late in the day as a wolf, it is one of those "almost too wolfy to be wolfy" moves. Although mislynching Annie was a good result for the wolves . . .

Bolded: maybe

Underlined: certainly not

I agree it will become apparent. The kind of villagery tone he had in Pokemon is hard to fake, especially when you've been away from the thread for so long.

And yes, you're right. Now re-reading chrja and he confirms the fact that they've played a lot on the Danish forum.

Disregard my prior excitement about this.

Ok, this was my thought process throughout this entire part of the thread:

I liked solider as a wagon, so I voted him.
Lots of people (from where I was sitting) piled on, and that made me uncomfortable
I reassessed, and realised that there weren't actually *that* many pile on votes onto Solider, and none of them were really of the main people I thought were wolfy.
At the same time, I say that DB > magic. Note that this doesn't mean that DB > Soldier
That "skype" thing you call a defense wasn't a defense. I voted him before annie bought up the skype thing. I said later, it frustrates me when people use bad logic to get people lynched, even if I agree that said person should be lynched.
Him getting more votes doesn't make it a runaway. What I found icky was the sheer speed at which he got votes after I voted. The fact that lots of people voted and built him up to a large wagon actually makes me feel slightly better overall, for bizarre, past experience reasons.
I fluffed with that avatar thing because I meant to put it earlier in the day and forgot.
I hate hate hate CFDs, for many reasons, the first and most importantly is that you can kill the seer. I have seen a seer CFDed multiple times and hate CFDs as a result. I'm sure I can dig up some past games where I've said the same thing so you know it isn't a one time thing.

I did not chit chat with annie. I was trying to make him see that badgering on about the skype thing added little to no content to the case and probably detracted overall. It also was quite wolfy of him to tunnel so badly, or at least I thought so at the time.

And like I said above, I got concerned with the sudden flurry of votes, not the runaway wagon.

You just completely spun my posting to make it look bad, and if you actually read my posts you'd see what was really happening.

I am disappointed.

I have no idea if he's made phone posts; that doesn't mean it's unreasonable for me to assume that he may have that capability.

Lol at you tunneling me for expecting phone posts; I'll concede that since he's in Denmark he might have one of these:



My bad for assuming a forum full of people younger than me would, more often than not, have the same amazing phone intertubz tech that I do.

You and I sure find the most ******ed things to argue about.

FWIW, it took me until well after our game wolfing together to realize what your avatar was. I thought it was like a black and white waterfall painting for the longest time; now I can't see that anymore and only see Heath.

Long football match buddy!

Want to start the Euro Villager Analysis League (EVAL) when you get back?

Being wrong about willi was fine, I still think he played a different game here than in others I have played with him. Even the fake seer claim was strange, what seer outs themself to save 1 peek?

I have yet to see anything from you that has lead me to change my mind. Your obviously a decent player as you made final 3 in appartments, I see no reason why you cant have improved your wolf game too.

Chrja

The re-read is pretty easy with only 14 posts total. At this point, I am going to agree with tappokone and magic. He needs to post more of his thoughts.

I have only been in one other game with him where he was a villager. He was much more active and opinionated in that game. His opening this game mirrored our previous so I gave him an early villa lean based on that, but since then has fallen off the map.

Begged out of Friday due to IRL career reasons. OK.

Begged out of today so far for IRL hangover and sports. OK.

He's had enough passes, so here's his chance to make up for it.

Based on yesterday's EOD, Anarchist seemed to believe he's an outed wolf?

Still neutral on chrja. Need to see more.

You should read the Politics game, I was pretty good as a wolf in there (albeit against inexperienced opposition).

Any other villager leans? Does your wolf lean included more than one person?

Also I don't think very many people had Willi as wolfy; curious why in retrospect you justify this as "fine". Are you familiar with the Soah Theorem?

Sorry pa, hadn't read the thread since the morning. F3 takes priority!

Are you American? Makes sense you would assume everyone else has the same technologies.

I try not to assume things like that and dislike things like other tells (skype,aim) as I think the game should be based on the game alone.

On the other hand if someone is able to make several posts on 2+2 where everyone can see them I think thats fair game.

Cool pic btw, I loved that show when I was young.

Gonna try to make sense of EOD2 mess

this is roughly where the **** starts happening

anarchist hasn't registered willis claim

This is good (like noah needs any more points though)


both DB and I take it as a seer claim

to anarchist

this is in response to me, pretty much confirming his seer claim is hard

4 2 vote wagons. Can go anywhere here.

again, hard claiming seer

can believe this was xposted with the willi harder claim

I vote hotwings

This is terrible. Also, he disappears after this

this is to willi.

anarchist continues to be blind



bad bad bad

there this happens

terrible vote

still terrible

3 way tied vote

.

:/

bad

bad

still bad

ok

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bsball, why did you vote chrja despite him only having 1 vote at the time over hotwings or anarchist?

noah, why did you vote chrja?

derm why did you vote anarchist?

People who look terrible: The Plough, magic_gazz, maybe more depending on other Qs

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ThePlough